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At least when they refurbished them the could have gotten rid of the ugly turquois flightdeck! :D

Just curious, are the -9's still crewed with mainly Republic (old) crews?

2000Flyer
 
Are there still fences for the ex-Republic guys? Can they not upgrade to the 744 or A330?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
My father gave me a tour of the NWA maintenance hangers two summers ago. In a DC-9, I looked at the registration date and it said 1967....:eek: ON the other hand, keeping these suckers running has saved them alot of cash. Didn't look all that bad to me. I wonder what the average age on the DC-9 is.

Mr. I.
 
Nwa Paint Jobs

I think NWA confuses them selves about being North East! IF you ever look at the new paint jobs on the right side of the aircraft the arrow painted on the compass rose points north east! I really just wonder how many planes they painted before the realized the screw up. Further I hope all NWA pilots know the difference between north east and north west! They might have trouble navigating otherwise!
 
2000flyer said:
At least when they refurbished them the could have gotten rid of the ugly turquois flightdeck! :D

Just curious, are the -9's still crewed with mainly Republic (old) crews?

2000Flyer

Any old Republic guys (called "green book") on the -9 are there by choice. Some do that because of QOL. Everyone else on the -9 (CAs and FOs) is post merger (aka "blue book").

In answer to the General's question, there are fences to the widebodies. The number of NWA ("red book") vs REP is via a ratio, but once there, the individual is accorded DOH seniority, so while a red guy can get on the equipment sooner, a senior green guy who is awarded a position exercises his full seniority.

This arragement drops dead next year, then its straight DOH. Until then, green guys have to be quite senior (relative to the red guys) to hold the widebodies, but they do have the opportunity.

Nu
 
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Frequently see DC9-30's in MKE with "NC" registration numbers. Talk about the same airplanes flying into the same airport for 30 years! Names may change but the planes keep on flying.

Good ol' North Central...them were the good old days... :D

Peace

SF
 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
My father gave me a tour of the NWA maintenance hangers two summers ago. In a DC-9, I looked at the registration date and it said 1967....:eek: ON the other hand, keeping these suckers running has saved them alot of cash. Didn't look all that bad to me. I wonder what the average age on the DC-9 is.

Mr. I.

The average DOB on the DC-9-10s was around 1963. They have since been retired. Most of the rest are between 1967 and 1974. Most of the -50s were built in 1978-79.

They are the absolute tops. Best reliability and dispatch record of any aircraft at the majors. I haven't seen a MX CX in many, many months and most MELs, if any, are very minor. I think I've seen only one deferred APU in 3 years.

There really is nothing much to break. No resetting CBs to get the brains back into sync or to reset the IRU. No complicated GPS or RNAV, as they all come equipped with "vector capable" comm radios.

Most of the engines are leased from UAL for pennies on the dollar.

Still, they aren't quite the same as the DC-9s of old. In the overhaul, the interiors were all gutted and have large overhead bins and a 3rd lav up front. Lots of fixes to perennial DC-9 problems, such as gear indicators and fuel gauges, have been upgraded to solid state (proximity switches replaced microswitches, and the fuel gauges are now all digital). The presurization system is all digital now, and is set and forget. Digital altimeters allow for RSVM and new radar displays have the EGPWS. They even have dual nav/com heads (aka primary and standby freqs) and are wired for headsets.

The AC still is weak in the summer...they went old tech for a solution to that one...sun screens. They work unbelievably well.

Nu
 
Nuguy

Wow, you are stirring up memories, thanks for the update.


General Lee, we (Rep) guys started getting widebody awards way back about 1990. I got a 744 award then.

-DC
 
NuGuy said:
Any old Republic guys (called "green book") on the -9 are there by choice. Some do that because of QOL. Everyone else on the -9 (CAs and FOs) is post merger (aka "blue book").

In answer to the General's question, there are fences to the widebodies. The number of NWA ("red book") vs REP is via a ratio, but once there, the individual is accorded DOH seniority, so while a red guy can get on the equipment sooner, a senior green guy who is awarded a position exercises his full seniority.

This arragement drops dead next year, then its straight DOH. Until then, green guys have to be quite senior (relative to the red guys) to hold the widebodies, but they do have the opportunity.

Nu

thanks for explaining that.
 
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Nick5600 said:
I think NWA confuses them selves about being North East! IF you ever look at the new paint jobs on the right side of the aircraft the arrow painted on the compass rose points north east! I really just wonder how many planes they painted before the realized the screw up. Further I hope all NWA pilots know the difference between north east and north west! They might have trouble navigating otherwise!


They planned it that way.. They wanted the "compass" to point foreward on both sides to represent the company's idea of moving foreward.. or something like that. Also, they probably believe (as do I) that a great deal of their customers had/have no idea about the old paint scheme in which the little wedge points to the Northwest....
 
Humty72 said:
customers had/have no idea about the old paint scheme in which the little wedge points to the Northwest....


Wedge?....Northwest?....what are you talking about??!!

It is clear to anyone that the old paint scheme was a bowling shoe! I mean come on.....what do you take us for? :D
 
NuGuy said:
The average DOB on the DC-9-10s was around 1963. They have since been retired. Most of the rest are between 1967 and 1974. Most of the -50s were built in 1978-79.

They are the absolute tops. Best reliability and dispatch record of any aircraft at the majors. I haven't seen a MX CX in many, many months and most MELs, if any, are very minor. I think I've seen only one deferred APU in 3 years.

There really is nothing much to break. No resetting CBs to get the brains back into sync or to reset the IRU. No complicated GPS or RNAV, as they all come equipped with "vector capable" comm radios.

Most of the engines are leased from UAL for pennies on the dollar.

Still, they aren't quite the same as the DC-9s of old. In the overhaul, the interiors were all gutted and have large overhead bins and a 3rd lav up front. Lots of fixes to perennial DC-9 problems, such as gear indicators and fuel gauges, have been upgraded to solid state (proximity switches replaced microswitches, and the fuel gauges are now all digital). The presurization system is all digital now, and is set and forget. Digital altimeters allow for RSVM and new radar displays have the EGPWS. They even have dual nav/com heads (aka primary and standby freqs) and are wired for headsets.

The AC still is weak in the summer...they went old tech for a solution to that one...sun screens. They work unbelievably well.

Nu

Not only that but they upgraded the engines to runn off of Jet A instead of coal
 
All NWA has to do is keep a supply of rebuilt -100's around so when the gezzers shell out they can replace them. Yeah they save money on the A/C but what about fuel and Maintenance cost. I tend to see at least one parked sans engine every where they fly.

I understand they run on coal oil and not Jet A? (jk)

Jobear
 
In the Free Press

The Detroit Free Press has an article in the business section today and it states the NWA has one the lowest operating costs in the airline industry due to its large DC-9 fleet. They are all paid for and can be parked with no penalty when business is slow. As opposed to a new airplane with a $300K lease payment that has to fly to cover the payment. The DC-9 has a very high dispatch reliability; due to the fact there is spare parked across the field to fill the slot. Average age of fleet NWA 18.3 yrs, ATA 3.7 the youngest. In the late 90's they made a decision to refurbish old airplanes instead of buying new ones, right now it looks like a very good idea.
 
I wonder what Herman would say about the whole thing ? Where exactly was the bird buried ?

Much better looking logo than the 'compass'... I heard they screwed up and covered their tracks with some MBA bs.... Typical NWA crap...

God bless those ol 9's. I spent several years wrenching on the ol girls. Aaaahhh... Love changing those Aug valves.... !!!
Still have a couple scars on my knuckles...

Keep em flying.... Never forget Herman boys...
 
pilotyip said:
Average age of fleet NWA 18.3 yrs, ATA 3.7 the youngest.

Where do those figures come from? I would guess that JB has the newest, AirTran probably the second.
 
ATA ordered a ton a new 737s and 757s in 2000. Those new airplane obligations are a big part of why they're in so much financial trouble right now.
 
Source BACK Aviation Solutions on the top 10 US Airlines. That is why JB would not be in the mix.
 

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