NWA/DAL Seniority list..

[Sinca3]

Right where I expected to be.....Better than the NWA proposal and worse than the DAL proposal.
From the first looks of it NWA hogs the top of the list and I still haven't figured out this pull out plug in BS.

 

[AirportBum]

Can't complain. Glad this $hit is finally over. :beer:

 

[tblosser]

No "list" in the Award. It is described in the Award. 4 segments, with a straight ratio within each segment. 5 year (after SOC) fence on the 777/787/747. 274 oldest NWA guys "pulled and plugged" into the list to expedite move-up on NWA side.

Yours does not have a list? Ours does.

 

[propdog]

Right where I expected to be.....Better than the NWA proposal and worse than the DAL proposal.
From the first looks of it NWA hogs the top of the list and I still haven't figured out this pull out plug in BS.

Can somebody explain this 'pull-out-plug-in' deal please?

 

[Superpilot92]

Can somebody explain this 'pull-out-plug-in' deal please?

I think it means as those oldest 274 pilots retire only NWA pilots move up in seniority. So over time the nwa pilots will get a bump of 274 spots as those old guys retire.

 

[nwaredtail]

Can somebody explain this 'pull-out-plug-in' deal please?

Basically used to appease the NWA guys for a bit of attrition, key word is a "bit". 260 plus guys pulled out of the list and some NWA guys were pulled out of where they were and put 260 spots up. Seeing as we have retired that many guys this year alone, this is where most of the heartburn will be.

Also hearing that in 10 years, 85% of the WB slots will be DAl pilots, but still waiting on the projections.

Also, I personally think the furlough clause is BS, due to DAL calling the shots. Hopefully, we won't have to worry about it.

Most of the NWA guys that I have spoken to are a bit pissed and it seems the DAL guys are relatively happy. I thought we were both supposed to be pissed

 

[135Drvr]

This may make it interesting next year when the furloughs come:

"From November 1, 2008, until the first bid period following issuance of

the SOC, any furloughs that are the result of the reduction in flying in the
pre-merger aircraft contained in each airline's Pre-merger fleet shall be
borne by the pilots from that pre-merger airline regardless of their system
seniority; provided, however, that any furloughs resulting from such​

reduction in B757 shall be shared on a 1:1 basis."

 

[PuffDriver]

I think it means as those oldest 274 pilots retire only NWA pilots move up in seniority. So over time the nwa pilots will get a bump of 274 spots as those old guys retire.

I think that you are whacked.

It means that these guys were pulled out, the list created, and then they were plugged back in to the place they should be. That way, NWA guys got the benefit of their not being there when the ratio was created. Basically, a Delta guy is penalized a number, up to 274 total for every one of those NWA guys of the 274 who is senior to him/until those guys retire--which will be within the next couple of years. There is no leapfrogging in the list. It was "pre-dynamic'd"--if you will.

 

[SimHo]

Can anyone post the list?

 

[Jabwmu]

This may make it interesting next year when the furloughs come:

"From November 1, 2008, until the first bid period following issuance of

the SOC, any furloughs that are the result of the reduction in flying in the
pre-merger aircraft contained in each airline's Pre-merger fleet shall be
borne by the pilots from that pre-merger airline regardless of their system
seniority; provided, however, that any furloughs resulting from such​

reduction in B757 shall be shared on a 1:1 basis."

How does Compass/Mesaba fit in with this if they do furlough? Does this mean the first company to furlough flowdown (before SOC)?

 

[PuffDriver]

Basically used to appease the NWA guys for a bit of attrition, key word is a "bit". 260 plus guys pulled out of the list and some NWA guys were pulled out of where they were and put 260 spots up. Seeing as we have retired that many guys this year alone, this is where most of the heartburn will be.

Also hearing that in 10 years, 85% of the WB slots will be DAl pilots, but still waiting on the projections.

Also, I personally think the furlough clause is BS, due to DAL calling the shots. Hopefully, we won't have to worry about it.

Most of the NWA guys that I have spoken to are a bit pissed and it seems the DAL guys are relatively happy. I thought we were both supposed to be pissed

The forumites will not be pleased on the Delta side. The lack of fences on the 767-400 and the 767 will hurt badly. The senior f/os should be pretty happy. The commuters on the NWA side should be pretty happy as well. The Delta guys WILL get attrition sooner than planned which is good.

The investor conference will be interesting tomorrow.

It's done anyway. Pretty neutral IMO.

 

[propdog]

I think it means as those oldest 274 pilots retire only NWA pilots move up in seniority. So over time the nwa pilots will get a bump of 274 spots as those old guys retire.

I figured it out...it means the list was created without the top 274 NWA pilots.....thereby giving the NWA pilots a very slight advantage on the relative seniority. No...NWA pilots are not going to move up exclusively when they retire...the list is not dynamic.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

It's gonna be OK PuffDriver. They took both sides into consideration... NWA IS gonna have a few more retirements, we've got more of the bigger airplanes.

I personally think the a330 and 764's should have been fenced as well..but whatever.

I think we can all live with this list and not refer to each other by "N-dubbook" and "widgetbook" for the rest of our careers.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Propdog is correct. The list is fixed... no "dynamic" to it.

 

[Superpilot92]

I figured it out...it means the list was created without the top 274 NWA pilots.....thereby giving the NWA pilots a very slight advantage on the relative seniority. No...NWA pilots are not going to move up exclusively when they retire...the list is not dynamic.

Yeah i figured it out also. I missunderstood it the first go around.