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800Dog

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? for you NWA folks. Is the hat optional for you all? If this merger goes through and the DAL FOM states the hat is mandatory, will you all wear the hat? This is the important kind of stuff this DAL guy wants to know. I am hoping you all stand your ground and see the hat for what it is, a means of control!!!
 
Hat is optional for us... If the merger happens and I am required to wear it, I will... I don't write my own check...

Note on the uniform... The DB is out... As part of the New DAL, there should be a new coat... A more updated and contemporary look would be a better fit. That way we are ALL part of something new, instead of feeling like the bastard child...
 
JAM-BRO said:
Hat is optional for us... If the merger happens and I am required to wear it, I will... I don't write my own check...

Note on the uniform... The DB is out... As part of the New DAL, there should be a new coat... A more updated and contemporary look would be a better fit. That way we are ALL part of something new, instead of feeling like the bastard child...
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I for one would love a more functional winter coat. However you guys would have an easier time getting us stapled to the bottom of the NWA list than getting Delta to change its uniform.
 
tblosser said:
I for one would love a more functional winter coat. However you guys would have an easier time getting us stapled to the bottom of the NWA list than getting Delta to change its uniform.
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What-no more David Letterman?!?!?!?!?
 
What is the smallest size hat? My rollerboard only has so much room. No, I would wear it if required.
 
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Do they have any cool hats at Delta. Something in a baseball cap variety. Go ahead and put the scrambled eggs on the bill if you need to just give us a better hat.
 
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JAM-BRO said:
Hat is optional for us... If the merger happens and I am required to wear it, I will... I don't write my own check...

Note on the uniform... The DB is out... As part of the New DAL, there should be a new coat... A more updated and contemporary look would be a better fit. That way we are ALL part of something new, instead of feeling like the bastard child...
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Someone else said a double-breasted leather jacket, now that would be cool!

This would be a good start...

http://www.overstock.com/Clothing/NY10018-Womens-Double-Breasted-Leather-Jacket/2300220/product.html

Or better yet, I like the wide collars on this one, it would be great with the hat...

http://www.dealplumber.com/Double-Breasted-Leather-Jacket-Save-263-/21999
 
I could be mistaken but what I was told with the first PWA proposal the NWA guys were being given some money for uniforms. I guess we will see what happens in this round.
 
Rez O. Lewshun said:
DAL to NWA pilots....

you will be assimilated....
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When I searched for the picture I found this narrative. Ya just can't make
things like this up!!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


The Borg's prime objective is to be perfect and assimilation is their means
to achieve their goal. The Borg originates from the delta quadrant; they are
a species organized as a hive. It has a Queen that controls the drones.
Both the Queen and the drones are half organic and half synthetic. The drones
assimilate other species and technologies. This increases their numbers
because every person who is assimilated becomes a drone. All the knowledge
and memories that individual had are stored in the hive mind.
 
Don't have my contract with me, but I believe that if our uniforms are changed the company has to pay for the first. Don't think it will matter as we all may be buying walmart greeter unis. I fully expect dal/nwa to make an anouncement similar or worse than ual did today. And I expect our side (nwa) to take the brunt of the hits. My guess is 20% furlough of the combined list of 12000 or about 2400 with our side eating about 1800 of those. Hope I am wrong. The old wife always says I am a debbie downer wannabe when it relates to the airlines.



ACL65PILOT said:
I could be mistaken but what I was told with the first PWA proposal the NWA guys were being given some money for uniforms. I guess we will see what happens in this round.
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On another note. A little unscientific pilots/aircraft using the fleets and total pilots from APC.

1. swa=10.6
2. aai=11.8
3. aa=12.9 (this was a shocker)
4. lcc=13.5
5. cal=13.6
6. alk=13.8
7. nwa=14.5
8. jblu=14.9(another shocker)
9. ual&dal=16.3

Discuss.
 
I hope for all of our sakes you are way off base. It this is the case, then I am glad that I have kept a log book and resume up to date. I do not see this coming. Maybe parking DC 9's and some 88's short term, but one thing I think our managers have figured out is this. We need to keep market share in their period of industry flux. If you relent now, you give an opening to SWA and all of the other LCC that are slowly dieing. Given them areas to grow is one sure way to make this merger be a total disaster for us.
 
When it comes to DAL. I think that about 500-800 or our pilots are non line active. Some are in management and some are on LTD or Mil leave.

It is the benefit of our staffing formula. It will be something that helps all of us when the NWA group and fleet falls under a JPWA
 
Cobraair75drvr said:
Don't have my contract with me, but I believe that if our uniforms are changed the company has to pay for the first. Don't think it will matter as we all may be buying walmart greeter unis. I fully expect dal/nwa to make an anouncement similar or worse than ual did today. And I expect our side (nwa) to take the brunt of the hits. My guess is 20% furlough of the combined list of 12000 or about 2400 with our side eating about 1800 of those. Hope I am wrong. The old wife always says I am a debbie downer wannabe when it relates to the airlines.
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There is a big difference though, UAL lost as much if not more money last quarter than both DAL and NWA COMBINED. UAL is in a different boat than NWA and DAL as in their mgmt team has no intention on making UAL a successful airline. The new Delta with the combo of nwa should be very successful. We shall see.
 
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Cobraair75drvr said:
On another note. A little unscientific pilots/aircraft using the fleets and total pilots from APC.

1. swa=10.6
2. aai=11.8
3. aa=12.9 (this was a shocker)
4. lcc=13.5
5. cal=13.6
6. alk=13.8
7. nwa=14.5
8. jblu=14.9(another shocker)
9. ual&dal=16.3

Discuss.
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Break that up into narrow-body and wide-body and it will make more sense. NWA has about 2010 narrow-body pilots and 222 narrow-body aircraft. So it's really 9 pilots per plane on the narrow body.
 
That makes sense. I know they over staff the wide bodies by quite a bit, just didn't see those numbers adding up the -9 or 320 side.
 
Cobraair75drvr said:
On another note. A little unscientific pilots/aircraft using the fleets and total pilots from APC.

1. swa=10.6
2. aai=11.8
3. aa=12.9 (this was a shocker)
4. lcc=13.5
5. cal=13.6
6. alk=13.8
7. nwa=14.5
8. jblu=14.9(another shocker)
9. ual&dal=16.3

Discuss.
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I'd say a sidenote on the numbers would be that most lists still have the guys on furlough/mil leave etc... and that might screw with the #s a bit.
 
I think if you factor in all the seniority list instructors, NWA numbers are much lower. Couple years ago NWA was just below SWA.
 
Occam's Razor said:
Hats?

HATS are important?

Whoa! All this Big Picture stuff is making me a little woozy...
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You are right, but evidently, wearing a hat is a huge deal to some folks..even ones at DAL. I just wear the g*d d*mn hat. BIG DEAL. The company says so..the regs say so....it doesn't give me spinal problems...so I wear it.

And as far as the uniform.....lots of customers comment on it all the time. It's not going
anywhere...

But hey....the AF leaders are just like the execs in the airline industry...change the uniform for the sake of change....so DALs uniform is not half as bad as the new "retro-former-Soviet-Block-AF-Dress-uniform".......

http://mcnabb.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/male_bm1_1.jpg

back to that SLI now in progress.........
 
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Cobraair75drvr said:
On another note. A little unscientific pilots/aircraft using the fleets and total pilots from APC.

1. swa=10.6
2. aai=11.8
3. aa=12.9 (this was a shocker)
4. lcc=13.5
5. cal=13.6
6. alk=13.8
7. nwa=14.5
8. jblu=14.9(another shocker)
9. ual&dal=16.3

Discuss.
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Those numbers don't mean very much all by themselves.

Other factors to consider are
aircraft utilization in hours/day
revenue generation per trip, etc.

For example (hypothetical):

Airline owns 1 plane.
The plane flies 1 hour each day.
4 pilots are on payroll.

pilots/aircraft = 4
pilots/flight hour = 4

wow that's really a good number (sarcasm)

Same airline, still one plane.
Plane flies 20 hours every day
10 pilots are on payroll

pilots/aircraft = 10
pilots/flight hour = 5

Also to consider:
A cargo company with lot's of revenue per flight can have the plane sit idle most of the day, the profit margin/leg is very high.

A passenger operator with a low margin/leg will have to utilize the aircraft more to increase profits.

In this day and age crew cost isn't the big factor it once was.

By increasing pilot ranks the aircraft utilization rate can be pushed up thus generating more revenue.


Cheers
George
 
dtfl said:
But hey....the AF leaders are just like the execs in the airline industry...change the uniform for the sake of change....so DALs uniform is not half as bad as the new "retro-former-Soviet-Block-AF-Dress-uniform".......

http://mcnabb.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/male_bm1_1.jpg

back to that SLI now in progress.........
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Are they seriously changing from the blues to that? WTF? Do you have to do the communist high kick march when you march in those as well?



The DAL uniform is by far(t) the sharpest uniform out there. They gotta ditch the leather jackets at least, thats for sure... something about a black leather jacket and navy blue pants..ick. First time I saw an NWA pilot walking down the hall wearing that thing I thought it was a lost sketchy ad hoc freight pilot trying to make his way home.
 

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