NWA?DAL deal rumored within 2 weeks

[Rick James]

Regardless... I hope whatever happens helps DL survive better in the long run for our careers....and for the benefit of all U.S. Americans and the Iraq.

That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Mongo just pawn, in game of life.

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

Delta and NWA merge and also announce a seperate holding company. With this holding company, UA is purchased, split, parted and is history domestic assets sold to CAL, international assets kept sold to the DAL/NWA mainline.

 

[Jmoney]

No one injured.....

Relax Francis, this was one of tanker clowns finest moments!
Besides, nobody was injured in the making of this avatar!

73

No one was injured in making you a moron, either, General Lee!

(for anyone not aware-this is the same clown who posts here as General Lee-God could never have madetwo separate people this stupid!)

 

[JAM-BRO]

My biggest worry is base closures. DTW, MEM, CVG, and SLC. Which of those will go is what I would like to know. I also would bet that the DC-9's will go even if they are paid off. DCI and the NWA connection carriers have a good number of CR9's that could cover alot of that flying much cheaper than keeping the 9's.

You are worried that DTW will close. Sorry dude, but, are you high??????? That is NWA's biggest hub. Extremely efficient too. As for the CR9 being more efficient than a 9, doubt it. Fill that CR9 with 90 seats and lets see how much fuel or bags you can take on a hot day. Plus, add to that the lease. The overheads are tiny. You can probably fit a purse or a fanny pack. Believe me , if it was a better plane, it would have been bought in bigger numbers.

 

[Fly4hire]

As for the CR9 being more efficient than a 9, doubt it. Fill that CR9 with 90 seats and lets see how much fuel or bags you can take on a hot day. Plus, add to that the lease. The overheads are tiny. You can probably fit a purse or a fanny pack. Believe me , if it was a better plane, it would have been bought in bigger numbers.

If anything the RJ's are a revenue drain due to there very high CASM and low RASM. They have only been viable to date because of fuel pass through and guaranteed revenue as part of the air service agreements. As fuel stays near $100 they are becoming (more of) a revenue drain. If anything I expect to see RJ's parked before DC9's. Boyd agrees with me

 

[Truckdriver]

You are worried that DTW will close. Sorry dude, but, are you high??????? That is NWA's biggest hub. Extremely efficient too. As for the CR9 being more efficient than a 9, doubt it. Fill that CR9 with 90 seats and lets see how much fuel or bags you can take on a hot day. Plus, add to that the lease. The overheads are tiny. You can probably fit a purse or a fanny pack. Believe me , if it was a better plane, it would have been bought in bigger numbers.

I could care less about DTW. I just listed the bases that are in close proximity and could potentially be affected. If they can get SKYW to continue to purchasew their own CR9's, then get them to agree to share some of the fuel risk, the CR9's would be a better choice than the 9. Other than that, I agree with you. The CR9 is a good 76 seat jet, but probably a very crappy 90 seat jet.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Paging Reality, please come to the Security Screening Area. Paging Reality, please come to the Security Screening Area.

 

[737 Pylt]

No one was injured in making you a moron, either, General Lee!

(for anyone not aware-this is the same clown who posts here as General Lee-God could never have madetwo separate people this stupid!)

Listen troll, did you stop taking your prozac or what?
Isn't it time to get back to cruising the malls for your next appearance on "to catch a preadator."

737

 

[Mikes Apartment]

No one was injured in making you a moron, either, General Lee!

(for anyone not aware-this is the same clown who posts here as General Lee-God could never have madetwo separate people this stupid!)

I think you're a loser. Get a life

 

[General Lee]

Same argument could be made for the 80s. The DC-9s are paid for and generate revenue. There are zero plans to retire them as they are part of the NWA fleet plan for the next 5-10 years.

What about MEH? It's very likely they'd be folded into this mix as well although it may be a can that's kicked down the road.

Our MD88s actually carry 156 pax, and their lease payments went from $280,000 a month to $80,000 a month in BK. They are a lot newer than the DC9s, have less mx problems, and are more fuel efficient. I hope your DC9s do stick around in the event of a merger, but there should be fences around those too, just like your 744s and our 777s.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

No one was injured in making you a moron, either, General Lee!

(for anyone not aware-this is the same clown who posts here as General Lee-God could never have madetwo separate people this stupid!)

You still think I am 737pylt? Wow, you are hanging on by a string.....and you are losing it. That Valdosta and Flint air must be shrinking your brain....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

They are......

If anything the RJ's are a revenue drain due to there very high CASM and low RASM. They have only been viable to date because of fuel pass through and guaranteed revenue as part of the air service agreements. As fuel stays near $100 they are becoming (more of) a revenue drain. If anything I expect to see RJ's parked before DC9's. Boyd agrees with me

Delta can't afford to fly
Fare hikes were not enough, so several flights from SLC will
be cut
By Paul Beebe
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 01/05/2008 12:26:34 PM MST

With jet fuel prices refusing to retreat from record
heights, Delta Air Lines is doing more than just raising
fares, and some of the measures will hit Salt Lake City
travelers this month.
On Tuesday, Delta will end nonstop service from its Salt
Lake City International Airport hub to airports in
Birmingham, Ala.; Des Moines, Iowa; Fayetteville, Ark.;
Memphis, Tenn.; Milwaukee; and Sioux Falls, S.D. The airline
cited high fuel prices, its biggest single expense.
Later in January, Delta will trim one flight a day to
another 12 airports, including Washington Dulles in
Virginia, Vancouver International in British Columbia,
Kansas City, Omaha, as well as destinations in California,
the Pacific Northwest and the Midwest. In total, Delta is
cutting its Salt Lake capacity - the number of seats
available to passengers - by 3 percent this year.
The action is part of Delta's larger goal to trim
systemwide domestic capacity this year by 5 percent, cancel
or reduce flying some aircraft and cut an unstated number of
jobs to offset fuel prices that climbed nearly 60 percent in
2007 and may have wiped out the carrier's operating profit
in the final quarter of the year. Also contributing to a
lesser extent is a slight softening of demand for domestic
travel.
Delta hopes the actions will save $400 million in 2008
and allow it to hang on to the financial recovery that began
after huge losses and cutthroat competition from low-cost
airlines drove it into bankruptcy in 2005.
"Given this, we are adjusting domestic capacity to
reduce flying at off-peak times and to long-haul
destinations that are served infrequently and can be better
served via [other Delta hubs]," spokesman Anthony Black said
in an e-mail.
Capacity will be scaled back "with minimal customer
impact," Black said.
Others aren't so sanguine. Many Delta flights are
already crowded. Drawing down the supply of available seats
could make its aircraft even fuller. And that's likely to
push fares higher. Moreover, some destinations that have
been a nonstop flight away will be harder to reach.
"One never likes to lose any airline service, but with
fuel prices as high as they are, it's not a surprise," said
Michael Marnach, executive director of the Sioux Falls
airport. The loss means 10,000 annual South Dakota travelers
will have to find another way to reach Salt Lake or bypass
the city altogether, he said.
If there is a common denominator, it's that all
the affected routes are served with a mix of 50-, 70- and
76-seat gas-guzzling Bombardier regional jets that Delta and
others say are inefficient to fly on long-haul routes where
demand is limited.
"They are more costly on a per-seat basis. A majority of
the agreements Delta has with its regional partners [such as
SkyWest Airlines] calls for the cost of fuel to be passed
from the partners to Delta. The high cost of fuel has
reduced the number of markets where a regional jet can make
money," said Michael Boyd, an airline consultant in
Evergreen, Colo.
The cuts mark a turnaround from past airline practice.
When demand for travel flagged, airlines often kindled
interest in flying with fare cuts or promotional packages.
That's changed. Now, airlines park some of their planes to
bring down costs and pack the remaining aircraft with
passengers. Delta, for instance, intends to ground 35 of its
regional jets in the first quarter.
"We think . . . one of the best ways to manage the
fuel crisis is actually not to fly the aircraft," Ed
Bastian, Delta's president and chief financial officer, told
analysts last month.
While capacity cuts may shore up Delta's finances,
consumers will feel the pinch of higher ticket prices. Major
airlines, including Delta, successfully raised fares 17
times in 2007, said Rick Seaney, chief executive officer of
FareCompare.com, a Dallas-based online travel site.
"With oil slipping over the $100 per barrel mark today
and legacy airlines continuing to drastically reduce
capacity, consumers should brace themselves for continued
airfare hikes in 2008," Seaney said Wednesday.
Whether Salt Lake travelers can expect more capacity
trims is unclear. In his remarks to analysts last month,
Bastian said Delta would take more steps to reduce the
supply of domestic flights if fuel prices don't stabilize.
Black said the airline "will continue to invest in new
services and destinations" from Salt Lake.
"It's really hard to know. The wildcard we're dealing
with is the cost of fuel. We may see future decreases until
oil prices can level out," airport spokeswoman Barbara Gann
said.
In June, Delta will begin flying from Salt Lake to
Paris. The airline's first transatlantic route between Utah
and France is another element of the carrier's capacity
plans. While domestic capacity will fall this year,
international capacity is expected to increase at least 15
percent. Delta will add more than 20 new international
routes this year as it continues to expand its overseas
flights, where profits are higher and competition from low-
cost carriers is less.
"It's literally a retreat from the domestic market,"
said George Hamlin, managing director of Airline Capital
Associates, a Virginia-based firm that forecasts airline
trends.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Our MD88s actually carry 156 pax,

They carry 142 pax. The shuttle dogs carry 134.


The MD-90's carry 150. So, wrong on all accounts.

 

[brainhurts]

They carry 142 pax. The shuttle dogs carry 134.


The MD-90's carry 150. So, wrong on all accounts.

Ouch!

 

[jke406]

You still think I am 737pylt? Wow, you are hanging on by a string.....and you are losing it. That Valdosta and Flint air must be shrinking your brain....

Bye Bye--General Lee

you are also JMoney, and others as well.

Why would you want multiple screen personalities?

Although I do believe it when one of your personalities accuses the other of being "to catch a predator" candidate. Probably not lying there.

Good day.

 

[General Lee]

you are also JMoney, and others as well.

Why would you want multiple screen personalities?

Although I do believe it when one of your personalities accuses the other of being "to catch a predator" candidate. Probably not lying there.

Good day.

Wow, that is good...... You got me, I am 12 people on this board. Yeah, that's the ticket. You are a modern day Sherlock fricken Holmes.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

They carry 142 pax. The shuttle dogs carry 134.


The MD-90's carry 150. So, wrong on all accounts.

Never flew any of them, so I admit I was wrong. I don't plan to either. Thanks for the clarification.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Schwanker]

They carry 142 pax. The shuttle dogs carry 134.


The MD-90's carry 150. So, wrong on all accounts.

We don't want facts to interfere with one's fantasies now would we?

Schwanker

 

[General Lee]

We don't want facts to interfere with one's fantasies now would we?

Schwanker

Wow, Mr. Cool just arrived.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jmoney]

Translation....

Never flew any of them, so I admit I was wrong. I don't plan to either. Thanks for the clarification.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Here's a translation of what this walking BJ really means:

-I fly really big plans and I am the coolest kid in the playground......I am so pleased with myself that I have to come to FI about 13000 times to bully others in an attempt to feel good...

PATHETIC!

 

[Schwanker]

Wow, Mr. Cool just arrived.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Thanks GL. I think we know where your credibility is. You drink more Kool-Aide than anyone on these boards then spew out your desires as facts. I guess that's why people laugh at the credibility of web boards. Unfortunately, some folks come to these boards to try to get factual info and all the "my company has a longer dong" Rah Rah that goes on gets in the way of getting real facts. Your previous post was nothing but wishful factless BS and this is why you have zero credibility.

Schwanker

 

[Jmoney]

It's even worse....

It's worse than you imagine.... General Lee is really a pathetic little child who has no friends, no relationships and cannot develop any because he is such a social misfit.

The problem with the General is that he has never grown up... He is still that lonely little child on the playground who constantly attempts to justify his self-worth by confusing it with something of "value" he has.....

He is still that sad little boy that no one else will play with. That sad little guy who feels that his "new toy" will force others to like him-the General has not changed, his "toy" has though.....

That "toy" is now a 767 that few others fly-even fewer fly internationally. That "toy" is something that the General thinks everyone else wants, something that they want so badly that they will have to play with him despite his faults, despite all the petty rants he posts here, despite the fact that he feels it nescessary to "bully" everyone else who lacks his favorite "toy."

You see, the truth is the General is still feeling lost, he is lost on that playground, lost in that big plane, lost in the reality that he cannot make people like him, no matter what "toy" he brings to the playground....... All 13,000 posts as "general lee" and "737 pylt" from a confused lonely little child who wants people to like him.....

-It's really not about who has the better airline, now is it, General?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Our MD88s actually carry 156 pax, and their lease payments went from $280,000 a month to $80,000 a month in BK.


Bye Bye--General Lee

That is impressive.

Hi we can't pay our bills so we f@ck everyone we owe money to and then say we are profitable. How bout a pat on the back for our great business plan.

I'd be a millionaire if I didn't have to pay my bills.

 

[800Dog]

That is impressive.

Hi we can't pay our bills so we f@ck everyone we owe money to and then say we are profitable. How bout a pat on the back for our great business plan.

I'd be a millionaire if I didn't have to pay my bills.

Do not blame Delta. They just did what so many airlines before them have done. If the bankruptcy laws had been changed 20-30 years ago, Delta may have never found itself in chapter 11. Delta knows first hand how difficult it can be to compete against a bankrupt carrier.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Do not blame Delta. They just did what so many airlines before them have done. If the bankruptcy laws had been changed 20-30 years ago, Delta may have never found itself in chapter 11. Delta knows first hand how difficult it can be to compete against a bankrupt carrier.

I should have clarified...it's not a Delta thing it is an industry thing. Screw the employees, screw the lessors, screw the business partners. Then they throw party slap on some new paint and talk about their success story. It's bullsh1t and we all know it.

The process is rotten to the core and allows these companies to compete based on ineffective and unprofitable business models.

It bugs me when I hear a supposedly intelligent professional like the General bragging about the "competitive" nature of a new lease rate. The way it got competitive was absurd and should be viewed as such. Employees got hammered as bad as the leasing companies. Let's keep that in mind.

If an individual tried it you would label him a freeloading bum. In the airlines it is a business plan. Bankruptcy should not be an accepted business practice. It hurts everyone.

 

[800Dog]

I should have clarified...it's not a Delta thing it is an industry thing. Screw the employees, screw the lessors, screw the business partners. Then they throw party slap on some new paint and talk about their success story. It's bullsh1t and we all know it.

The process is rotten to the core and allows these companies to compete based on ineffective and unprofitable business models.

It bugs me when I hear a supposedly intelligent professional like the General bragging about the "competitive" nature of a new lease rate. The way it got competitive was absurd and should be viewed as such. Employees got hammered as bad as the leasing companies. Let's keep that in mind.

If an individual tried it you would label him a freeloading bum. In the airlines it is a business plan. Bankruptcy should not be an accepted business practice. It hurts everyone.

Agreed. One of my college professors harped on the bankruptcy laws and how they have impacted the airline industry back in the late 80s. Companies should compete or go away.

 

[aircowboy]

Agreed. One of my college professors harped on the bankruptcy laws and how they have impacted the airline industry back in the late 80s. Companies should compete or go away.

I agree but not before we get an industry wide seniority list. Managements could no longer compete with our livelihood.

 

[General Lee]

Here's a translation of what this walking BJ really means:

-I fly really big plans and I am the coolest kid in the playground......I am so pleased with myself that I have to come to FI about 13000 times to bully others in an attempt to feel good...

PATHETIC!

You want me to do what to you? I don't play that way, sorry. Maybe you can get an extended Flint or Valdosta layover and ask for one of those. And by the way, I do feel great.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jke406]

You want me to do what to you? I don't play that way, sorry. Maybe you can get an extended Flint or Valdosta layover and ask for one of those. And by the way, I do feel great.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Judas Priest, stop posting to your other screen names. If you feel as though you need multiple screen names to make your life worth living, that's great. Kindly don't insult our intelligence by responding to yourself.