NW B747Fs

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Looks like all B747Fs will be gone in twelve months. No replacement freighter aircraft are coming. Soon to be belly freight business only. That is all.
 

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Looks like all B747Fs will be gone in twelve months. No replacement freighter aircraft are coming. Soon to be belly freight business only. That is all.

A Delta friend of mine here in South FLA said the SCO will be early next year. How will that affect the NWA and DL guys with these planes leaving?
 

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I wonder if that means a pullout of ANC alltogether. I heard AS may be adding ANC-MSP.
 

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Also said something about neither Boeing or Airbus want to produce a 100 seat jet, and that the DC9 will be around for a while, and that DAL (feeders) have way too many RJ's
 

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Anderson and Bastian

Good thing there is that little furlough clause in the SLI for the DAL guys. Such a sweet deal, DAL parks NWA airplanes under the guise of a combined company, yet only NWA guys will take the hit. Almost as if the arbitrators knew this would happen.....
 

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Huh? The plan was to park those before the merger. Be grateful the DC9's are sticking around longer than planned under Delta. I am.

As for "hits" - my displacement today wasn't all that happy an occasion.
 

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Where are you headed, Fins?
 

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Huh? The plan was to park those before the merger. Be grateful the DC9's are sticking around longer than planned under Delta. I am.

As for "hits" - my displacement today wasn't all that happy an occasion.
Incorrect, the 12 that are here were "supposed" to stay. There are currently about 210 pilots based there, with around 180 of them "senior". They will displace to whatever they can hold, and then 6 months later, the freeze is up and let the games begin. The waterfall effect with unfortunately get both sides.

Sorry about your displacement. So much for all the "growth" that was spewed pre-SLI huh?
 

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Incorrect, the 12 that are here were "supposed" to stay.
Whether they were "supposed" to stay or not is a big question mark. I think few should be surprised when a fuel inefficient, 25 year old airframe that has seen a 60% drop off in block hours is retired.

After looking at all the facts, neutral arbitrators stated the following concerning the aging 747F fleet at NWA:

"Questions exist, as well, as to the future of Northwest freighter business both from an equipment standpoint and in terms of the general business outlook. The 747-200 freighters attached to that enterprise are uncompetitive in an increasingly competitive arena for cargo operations and it is unclear to what extent this would have remained a vital operation for NWA.28 Market conditions have changed dramatically since 2005, when demand for air cargo lift was high, particularly on routes from Asia to America.29 NWA has encountered a meaningful drop-off in demand in several of the routes served by NWA.30 Fuel prices have caused the 25-year-old Northwest 747’s to be uneconomic, Chinese carriers are providing more competition and NWA has dropped its daily service to Guangzhou, China.31 . In addition to being less fuel-efficient, the 747’s in the NWA fleet are smaller and have a shorter range than the 747-400’s flown by competitors. 32 The reduction in the freight fleet has been from 14 airplanes down to 10 and block hours have been decreased by 60%.33 As of September of 2008, Northwest has dropped Narita/Bangkok, Singapore/Hong Kong, Narita/Manila, Narita/Taipei, Shanghai/Anchorage, Bangkok/Singapore, and Hong Kong/Manila.34"
 
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This is still a rumor at this point...
Heyas Clippy,

The interesting thing is that several of the Pacific routes have frequencies that are linked to "freight only".

If the 747F rumor is true, then mama DAL must be willing to give those frequencies up completely. They can't be sold outright because they are entangled with the passenger authorities.

They might try to negotiate a conversion of some of the freighter slots into pax/freight slots. If that's the case, any aircraft that fly in a former freight slot could be considered a "replacement aircraft" since the 747-200s were fenced in the award.

I smell an arbitration if it comes to that...

Nu
 

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Speaking of 747Fs, I have noticed alot more parked over by the NE corner @ MIA days on end with no movement at all. And the DC10Fs also.
 

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The interesting thing is that several of the Pacific routes have frequencies that are linked to "freight only".

If the 747F rumor is true, then mama DAL must be willing to give those frequencies up completely. They can't be sold outright because they are entangled with the passenger authorities.
I heard that as well. Also, the loads I've seen are always full so I'd be a little shocked if $40 oil doesn't shoot some life back into the freighters. We are adding an ATL flight in March which seems odd if they are almost gone.
 

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I heard that as well. Also, the loads I've seen are always full so I'd be a little shocked if $40 oil doesn't shoot some life back into the freighters. We are adding an ATL flight in March which seems odd if they are almost gone.
Bastian told our class last week he thought the freighters will be gone soon. He said if FDX is having trouble making money, they NWA Cargo is not doing well.
 

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Anderson and Bastian

Good thing there is that little furlough clause in the SLI for the DAL guys. Such a sweet deal, DAL parks NWA airplanes under the guise of a combined company, yet only NWA guys will take the hit. Almost as if the arbitrators knew this would happen.....
Can you tell me which other cargo 742 operators ARE NOT parking their 742s? Kalitta is parking 8 of their 20 747s (while keeping their 744 cargo birds). World Airways has 744s, not 742s. Evergreen and Atlas are also parking 742s. All of the Asian cargo carriers have switched to 744s. The 742 is too costly, and we knew that before the SLI and DCC. And now that you guys are our brothers, I hope it works out well for ALL OF US. Cargo demand across the WORLD is declining (look at the FedEx forcasts, as DHL pulls out of the US). Hopefully we keep those 2 pax 742s for MAC charters.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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Heyas Clippy,

The interesting thing is that several of the Pacific routes have frequencies that are linked to "freight only".

If the 747F rumor is true, then mama DAL must be willing to give those frequencies up completely. They can't be sold outright because they are entangled with the passenger authorities.

They might try to negotiate a conversion of some of the freighter slots into pax/freight slots. If that's the case, any aircraft that fly in a former freight slot could be considered a "replacement aircraft" since the 747-200s were fenced in the award.

I smell an arbitration if it comes to that...

Nu
If you announce parkings before SOC, and have displacements, then I think that falls under the part where your side takes the hit. Sad but true. No DAL guys should take a hit for the parkings of planes coming from the FNWA side, and I think most people would agree with that, especially before SOC. If they plan no cargo only flights and only have belly freight, then there would not be any "replacement" aircraft for those particular 74Fs. I think they will move some A330s to take some current cargo slots at NRT (like possible new service NRT to BOS), and maybe use current 767-300s etc to NRT and move planes around. Your pilots get planes, not slots. If certain planes go away, they you should get credit for new planes that replace them specifically. Again, you don't get credit for "slots" at airports. IF Delta decided to move some MD88s over to NRT to take those cargo slots and start intra Japan flying, should your guys demand to fly them? The 742s are old and were going to go away anyway. You can't arbitrate your way out of everything. Some things are bound to happen.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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