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33.3% is about 33.3% too much........
 
PCL_128 said:
I can't remember all of the details, and frankly, I don't care. Every legitimate economist in the country trusts these figures. Only crackpots who run websites allege that some sort of malfeasance is taking place. If you want to know the details of how the figures are calculated, what "average" means, etc...., then go do some research on the government CPI website. All of the data is available there.
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I've got to disagree with you on that. There are ways to manipulate the numbers; it doesn't take much imagination to make it happen - just adjust the basket of goods with 'similar' (cheaper) items.
I give you props for branding the multitude of economists who have stated that the CPI doesn't accurately reflect the true inflation rate as crackpots. You have fairly effectively killed counter arguments. However, Bill Gross of PIMCO (if you don't know who he is, you don't know much about economics and the markets) discussed that exact topic in an article three years ago. Here's a link: http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/Featured+Market+Commentary/IO/2004/IO+Con+job+redux+04.htm
Now, if you want to label Bill Gross a crackpot, so be it. You'd be the first that I've heard who labels him a crackpot.
 
PCL_128 said:
The CPI is an accurate measurement of how much the increase in prices is affecting the average American. If you guys refuse to accept this basic fact, then have at your "sky is falling" mentality. There's simply no help for you.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:, you are clueless about how section 6 is conducted and are also clueless about economy.

You are a sad fellow.
 
kommutrdog said:
I completely agree with that angle of your post, however, $98 oil and euro = $1.47+ is not good for the consumer.

Labor will give management the finger this time around, I believe, and the costs will be passed onto the pax...however, pax will not book as much. That trip to Grandma's in Fort Myers is gonna be awfully expensive come Xmas time if this keeps up.

Thanks to our visionaries at the Fed, the dollar is going into the toilet.

You cannot have a sound economy with a Third World currency.
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Good, if Grandma doesn't like it she take fu@king walk. Greyhound is a nice alternative too, more expensive, but it still works...
 
Andy said:
I've got to disagree with you on that. There are ways to manipulate the numbers; it doesn't take much imagination to make it happen - just adjust the basket of goods with 'similar' (cheaper) items.
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Any talk of "manipulation" of the numbers implies some sort of government conspiracy to mask the truth. I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
 
Future Furlough said:
Remember, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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Statistics are like loose women: Once you get them, you can do what you want with them.
 
Watch Presidential nominee Ron Paul schooling Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on monetary inflation and the problems the PRIVATE Federal Reserve has caused and is causing to America as seen on CNBC Nov.7th when Bernanke addressed Congress :
Ron Paul Schools Ben Bernanke Again

and then watch:
Ron Paul: Why we should donate on November 11th(VETERANS DAY)

Did you know the TROOPS have donated more money to Ron Paul than any other Presidential Candidate??

Our country needs this honest man. He'll end the corruption in American Politics. He'll set this country on the right path economically and help lessen the hard times approaching through sound economic policies.

There is a reason Ron Paul broke the single day donation record for a Presidential nominee on November 5th earning $4.2 MILLION dollars:
This man is what America needs!!!

Donate to Ron Paul on November 11th at www.ronpaul2008.com !!
I will be..........
 
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PCL_128 said:
Any talk of "manipulation" of the numbers implies some sort of government conspiracy to mask the truth. I don't believe in conspiracy theories.
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Once again, you surprise me. It doesn't have to be a "conspiracy theory". Why WOULDN'T the numbers be manipulated to make themselves and their policies look better, and whole host of other reasons to make things appear more rosy than they are?

I conclude from your statement then, that management does not manipulate any numbers either, correct?
 
FlyFastLiveSlow said:
Seriously though. A consumption tax would be nice in replacement of the income tax, with rebates on necessities for low income people. A nice side benefit might be for people to think twice before buying all the useless crap they buy, and maybe some of this senseless consumerism would finally be tempered.
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While in theory that may be correct but you underestimate our government's insatiable appetite to grow which means more money/taxes. If we stop buying "useless crap" the government will have to make up for that lost tax by raising taxes and/or rates on something else. They have a total dollar figure in mind. How they get there doesn't matter. Kind of like if people stopped smoking cigarettes-the government depends on that tax so they urinate away on something we don't need. In addition, if that "useless crap" is made in America (unlikely today though, see China) then you put Yankees out of a job which means no wage taxes. In turn, we get more lotteries and casinos to make up for the lost taxes - yea!
 
SDF2BUF2MCO said:
In turn, we get more lotteries and casinos to make up for the lost taxes - yea!
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Which, much like the cigarette tax you mentioned, are mostly a poor tax. Studies show that very few upper-income Americans participate in these activities. The middle- and low- income Americans end up getting screwed more than anyone else under such a setup.
 
Patriot328 said:
www.fairtax.org read it, learn it. Not perfect, but it is much better than the clusterfuk of a tax code we have today.
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You know what's better than the tax code we have today? How about NO TAX CODE!?

Flat tax/national sales tax, etc. they're all the same. They're all unnecessary.

Without the Personal Income tax, the governments income from the other taxes including the Corporate Income tax would still be at 2000 levels.

So it's not that radical like Ron Paul argues.
Once again: It's NOT RADICAL. It is if you want to police the world and have government pork and large government bureaucracies that get nothing done and waste money.

Ron Paul will eliminate the income tax for all Americans by incredibly reducing the size of government and bringing our troops home from the 737 overseas bases.

Education is paid for mostly by states.
Roads are paid for by the gas tax.
Social Security has its own tax.
Medicare has its own tax.

The CORPORATE INCOME TAX is exactly the amount of money we CURRENTLY, with our escapades overseas, pay for military expenditures.

He will bring our troops overseas home, which is costing this country close to $1 trillion a year. He still believes in protecting the country and a strong military but wants to end the foreign escapades which has historically been a VERY CONSERVATIVE POSITION as well as the position of the founding fathers.

The country ran fine before the income tax was forced on the American People in 1913.

Learn more about Ron Paul's ideas of reducing government and ELIMINATING the Income Tax here at MINUTE 27:
http://www.ronpauldvdproject.com/

CONSERVATIVES used to believe in limited government and lower taxes. Ron Paul is the ONLY real CONSERVATIVE.

We don't need the income tax if we do as Ron Paul proposes.

We really need smaller government in this country and less taxes. Do you realize how well our free markets would do if we could reduce taxes to even half of what they are today? Ron Paul might be able to do atleast that.

Wouldn't it be amazing to even have your income tax reduced by half!? People could save for their own retirements then and we could phase out the Social Security tax and the Medicare tax like Ron Paul wants to.


I'll take the extra money and save for my own retirement thank you. I'm voting for Ron Paul:
www.ronpaul2008.com

Give this man 5 minutes and Watch this video.
Let him cure your apathy!:
Ron Paul: A New Hope 2.0

There will also be another major Money Bomb like the record $4.3 million Ron Paul earned in one day on November 16th, the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party.
Watch this video about the first RECORD money bomb and the next one:
Ron Paul: Tea Party 07
Then DONATE to Ron Paul....Many others are on these boards.
Jet
 
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Seroiusly Jet, give it a rest. You are Ron Paul's worst enemy on this board at this point. We all imagine you sitting at home in the dark, except the candles that light your Ron Paul shrine. It's starting to frighten me.
 
FlyFastLiveSlow said:
Seroiusly Jet, give it a rest. You are Ron Paul's worst enemy on this board at this point. We all imagine you sitting at home in the dark, except the candles that light your Ron Paul shrine. It's starting to frighten me.
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I'm not alone Flyfast. Ron Paul has cured my apathy. He's cured many others' apathy as well and Ron Paul is giving millions of people hope again.

Do you really trust any democrat or republican today? I haven't for as long as I can remember. Corruption is running rampant.

I believe in Ron Paul. I believe he can put this country back on the right track.

I love his message of limited government and freedom.

If you learned all of his positions you'd probably be as insanely passionate over him as I am.

We have less than 2 months till the first primary. You're going to hear a lot more about Ron Paul.

Get used to it,
Jet
 
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FlyFastLiveSlow said:
Seroiusly Jet, give it a rest. You are Ron Paul's worst enemy on this board at this point. We all imagine you sitting at home in the dark, except the candles that light your Ron Paul shrine. It's starting to frighten me.
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Exactly.
 
jetflyer said:
PCL,
Are you stalking me? :)
Jet
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Jet, you're providing me countless hours of entertainment with your silliness. I wouldn't miss your posts for anything. Best laughs I get all day.
 
jetflyer said:
I'm not alone Flyfast. Ron Paul has cured my apathy. He's cured many others' apathy as well and Ron Paul is giving millions of people hope again.

Do you really trust any democrat or republican today? I haven't for as long as I can remember. Corruption is running rampant.

I believe in Ron Paul. I believe he can put this country back on the right track.

I love his message of limited government and freedom.

If you learned all of his positions you'd probably be as insanely passionate over him as I am.

We have less than 2 months till the first primary. You're going to hear a lot more about Ron Paul.

Get used to it,
Jet
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This is the same type of thing the German people were saying about Adolf Hitler at one point too. Going to start calling him Uncle Paul soon?
 
Your Signature:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.--Abbie Hoffman
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From reading your signature, I find it very ironic that you don't support Ron Paul's views and are attacking me and my passionate support of him. He is the one candidate that will ensure your freedoms.

You especially need to watch these two videos:
Ron Paul: A New Hope 2.0

Ron Paul: Tea Party 07

You may just find that instead of attacking me you may want to join me in spreading the word about Ron Paul and why he needs to be our next President. He needs your support and campaign donations. Looking forward to having you join the Ron Paul Revolution! :)

Jet
 
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jetflyer said:
Your Signature:


From reading your signature, I find it very ironic that you don't support Ron Paul's views and are attacking me and my passionate support of him. He is the one candidate that will ensure your freedoms.

You especially need to watch these two videos:
Ron Paul: A New Hope 2.0

Ron Paul: Tea Party 07

You may just find that instead of attacking me you may want to join me in spreading the word about Ron Paul and why he needs to be our next President. He needs your support and campaign donations. Looking forward to having you join the Ron Paul Revolution! :)

Jet
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I'm not "attacking" you. I admire your passion for a cause that you believe in. The point I'm trying to make to you is: we all get it. You like RP. Instead of posting endless amounts of links, and looking kinda like you have been brainwashed, and a bit of a fantatic, why not spend your time volunteering for his campaign if you feel so strongly about it? You are not going to win the hearts and minds of the masses here on FI. :)
 
FlyFastLiveSlow said:
I'm not "attacking" you. I admire your passion for a cause that you believe in. The point I'm trying to make to you is: we all get it. You like RP. Instead of posting endless amounts of links, and looking kinda like you have been brainwashed, and a bit of a fantatic, why not spend your time volunteering for his campaign if you feel so strongly about it? You are not going to win the hearts and minds of the masses here on FI. :)
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From my posting the last two days, 4 people on flightinfo.com have told me they like what Ron Paul says and signed up for the Mass Donation on December 16th for Ron Paul to break his last record donation day that brought in $4.3 million in one day.

They all commited to donate atleast $100 on November 16th the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party which was the day that started the American Revolution. This December 16th the Revolution will continue.


"Every generation needs a new revolution" ~Jefferson
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Ron Paul is on track to DOUBLE the donations in the 4th quarter that Romney and Giulliani received in the 3rd!

We can get America back. We can make America great again.

Something us spammers are doing must be working :)


From: http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmVkNGYwYzA1ZmJhMDBjOTAxN2IyZjc2YzEwOGUxZjk=

Quote:
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Zogby Predicts Ron Paul Could Get 15 to 18 Percent in New Hampshire
On the Sean Hannity radio program, pollster John Zogby said that Texas Congressman Ron Paul could end up surprising the field - and "embarass a lot of the frontrunners" by wildly exceeding expectations taking 15 to 18 percent in the New Hampshire primary.

An incredulous Hannity asked, "You don't see any chance he wins this thing, do you?" Zogby said no.
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Fox News video:
The troops also have donated more money to Ron Paul than any other candidate.

I will continue spreading the message even if it makes me look crazy. Time is not on our side. We have to continue the momentum Ron Paul has carrying.

I feel I have done a lot of good getting Ron Paul support already in my own personal way Flyfast. I will join the Texas campaign when it's closer to the primary. For now I'm going to help Ron Paul as I can by telling friends, family, and you about him :) A lot of my friends and family and flightinfo members have commited to donate so it must be working.

Ron Paul needs all of us on December 16th.
Watch and listen to the Freedom Message of our lifetime:
Ron Paul: Tea Party 07

You too may just become as inspired as I am and join the revolution! You're a strong voice. I'd rather have you on my side than against me.

Sorry if I'm too passionate. I've been accused of worse. I'll take passionate!,
Jet
 
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jetflyer said:
From my posting the last two days, 4 people on flightinfo.com have told me they like what Ron Paul says and signed up for the Mass Donation on December 16th for Ron Paul to break his last record donation day that brought in $4.3 million in one day.

They all commited to donate atleast $100 on November 16th the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party which was the day that started the American Revolution. This December 16th the Revolution will continue.




Ron Paul is on track to DOUBLE the donations in the 4th quarter that Romney and Giulliani received in the 3rd!

We can get America back. We can make America great again.

Something us spammers are doing must be working :)


From: http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZmVkNGYwYzA1ZmJhMDBjOTAxN2IyZjc2YzEwOGUxZjk=

Quote:


Fox News video:
The troops also have donated more money to Ron Paul than any other candidate.

I will continue spreading the message even if it makes me look crazy. Time is not on our side. We have to continue the momentum Ron Paul has carrying.

I feel I have done a lot of good getting Ron Paul support already in my own personal way Flyfast. A lot of friends and family and flightinfo members have commited to donate.

Ron Paul needs all of us on December 16th.
Watch and listen to the Freedom Message of our lifetime:
Ron Paul: Tea Party 07

You too may just become as inspired as I am and join the revolution! You're a strong voice. I'd rather have you on my side than against me.

Sorry if I'm too passionate. I've been accused of worse. I'll take passionate!,
Jet
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Do you realize that you capitalized revolution and called yourself a spammer? :nuts: I find that kinda funny. Seriously, though.....maybe just turn it down a notch or two. As I said I appreciate your passion, and would normally be open to the possibilities......until it starts to appear fanatical. You've kinda crossed that line.
 
Isn't spamming against some sort of forum rule?
 
FlyFastLiveSlow said:
Do you realize that you capitalized revolution and called yourself a spammer? :nuts: I find that kinda funny. Seriously, though.....maybe just turn it down a notch or two. As I said I appreciate your passion, and would normally be open to the possibilities......until it starts to appear fanatical. You've kinda crossed that line.
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I can definitely be described as fanatical. That is fair. I get that way when I find something I believe in. I try to control it.

Sorry if I've crossed the line. I'll tone it down. Heck there's a month and a half till the first primary. I'll pace myself :)

Jet
p.s. you sound like my wife lecturing me when I get a little too into something :)
 
PCL,

That was self deprecating humor.

Hannity and O'Reilley like to say that Ron Paul supporters are nothing but a bunch of spammers.

They don't like Paul's message because he's not a Carbon Copy of Bush and he is a real conservative. If people realize that Ron Paul is the REAL CONSERVATIVE in the race for President they'll realize that Hannity and O'Reilley are part of a movement that has hijacked the Republican party.

Ron Paul supporters have been banned from almost all Republican chat groups. Amazing huh? Talk about losing freedoms and needing Ron Paul more than ever.

Jet
 
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jetflyer said:
p.s. you sound like my wife lecturing me when I get a little too into something :)
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Maybe because I hear it from my wife so often....:)
Just suggesting that sometimes a tempered approach will win more people over, than yelling and pounding your fists.
 

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