November 8, the other “1108”

[SilverSurfer]

Fractional Focus

Does Bob/B19lyer post on any of the other boards here? Any threads other than the Flight Options threads? Flex threads? CS threads?

What a dork. If he is who he said he is, and is at an airline but comes on here and posts and reads this board...what a complete blubbering fool.

"Bob" has a special place in his cold dark management heart for the fractional industry. He has focused 85% of his attention on Options and the rest spread among the other fractionals. I think its a safe bet that he is in the fractional business and is very likely, as we all have suspected, none other then our very own " Babbling Bob".

Take the meds "Bob":nuts:

 

[B19 Flyer]

You work for Flight Options and you honestly believe that "Every single pilot" at Flight Options feels that they don't need a union?

I wonder what the FLOPS pilots viewing this thread think of your statement.

Don't work at FLOPS or at a fractional, aircraft are too small for me and the mission isn't challenging enough.

Once again, interest was a brief stint with a fractional, liked the concept but shuttered at how a union would shred a small fractional considering how they've torn apart larger air carriers.

 

[1po'dpilot]

Bob

Don't work at FLOPS or at a fractional, aircraft are too small for me and the mission isn't challenging enough.

Once again, interest was a brief stint with a fractional, liked the concept but shuttered at how a union would shred a small fractional considering how they've torn apart larger air carriers.

You fly a desk how much room do you need??

 

[fischman]

Don't work at FLOPS or at a fractional, aircraft are too small for me and the mission isn't challenging enough.

Once again, interest was a brief stint with a fractional, liked the concept but shuttered at how a union would shred a small fractional considering how they've torn apart larger air carriers.

I now understand. You aren't the jerk I thought you were.

You sir, are an arrogant power-hungry creep with shiny jet syndrome.

I'm guessing daddy didn't spend enough time with you when you were a kid, or he beat you down when he did. This is why you feel the need to show what a big, bad, man you are by being around BIG jets. This also explains why you think you are always right, and the rest of the world is wrong. Daddy was too wasn't he?

I seriously think you are ill. I'm posting a link I think you need to take a look at. I see many of your traits in this article. The good news is that it can be treated.

http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/delusional-disorder

 

[bchjetdrvr]

B19 sent me a pic of the school bus he used to take to school when he was younger. Folks we gotta feel for him....I mean come on....we all know what kids rode the short yellow bus. Poor Bob.

http://lonestartimes.com/images/2007/04/short-bus.jpg

2 days 2 days 2 days 2 days..did I sat that out loud.

 

[FracMonkey]

Don't work at FLOPS or at a fractional, aircraft are too small for me and the mission isn't challenging enough.

Once again, interest was a brief stint with a fractional, liked the concept but shuttered at how a union would shred a small fractional considering how they've torn apart larger air carriers.

Aspen (shot the approach to company minimums), weather cleared in time to go to Telluride, Sun Valley (approach there too)and San Fran (Quiet Bridge visual next to a 747) all in the same day. All the way across the country to do the Northeast corridor shuffle later in the week and the Hanukkah highway to cap off the adventure. Yeah, that's not challenging!

Puh-leez!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Aspen (shot the approach to company minimums), weather cleared in time to go to Telluride, Sun Valley (approach there too)and San Fran (Quiet Bridge visual next to a 747) all in the same day. All the way across the country to do the Northeast corridor shuffle later in the week and the Hanukkah highway to cap off the adventure. Yeah, that's not challenging!

Puh-leez!

I know how tough the fractional flying is, and I never said that it wasn't.

What gets lost amongst the banter is that I am deeply involved in aircraft operations. In all fairness, you only traveled through two or three time zones and the controllers all spoke and understood English in a well established airspace system. The challenges of big iron (even you mentioned the big Boeing beside you) though international airspace worldwide is a little different and to me a lot more interesting.

I simply don't believe that a union adds anything on to what is already a very challenging business. I believe that the union existence creates additional threats to the operational and financial freedom of the employees of a carrier and in many cases disrupts careers more than most people realize. The thought of unions doing to a small fractional the same thing that they've done to big airlines just irks me. I've been laid off twice because of union actions and I'm sick of it. So, much to the dismay of many union advocates on this board that have NEVER had anything go wrong, I don't mind taking the other side of the issue.

Don't think for a moment though that I don't support what actually happens in the airplane or how hard it is to operate into the ever-changing environment the fractionals operate in. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have enormous respect for that. It's a whole different issue altogether.

 

[SilverSurfer]

I know how tough the fractional flying is, and I never said that it wasn't.

What gets lost amongst the banter is that I am deeply involved in aircraft operations. In all fairness, you only traveled through two or three time zones and the controllers all spoke and understood English in a well established airspace system. The challenges of big iron (even you mentioned the big Boeing beside you) though international airspace worldwide is a little different and to me a lot more interesting.

I simply don't believe that a union adds anything on to what is already a very challenging business. I believe that the union existence creates additional threats to the operational and financial freedom of the employees of a carrier and in many cases disrupts careers more than most people realize. The thought of unions doing to a small fractional the same thing that they've done to big airlines just irks me. I've been laid off twice because of union actions and I'm sick of it. So, much to the dismay of many union advocates on this board that have NEVER had anything go wrong, I don't mind taking the other side of the issue.

Don't think for a moment though that I don't support what actually happens in the airplane or how hard it is to operate into the ever-changing environment the fractionals operate in. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have enormous respect for that. It's a whole different issue altogether.

“I know how tough the fractional flying is “

No I don’t think you have any idea just how demanding our jobs are. Compared to the jobs a major 121 carrier pilot has ours places many more demands on us that they never have to face.

“ In all fairness, you only traveled through two or three time zones and the controllers all spoke and understood English in a well established airspace system. The challenges of big iron (even you mentioned the big Boeing beside you) though international airspace worldwide is a little different and to me a lot more interesting.”

We do have to cross international boundaries and time zones on a regular basis. We have to communicate with international controllers, we do fly outside of our safe and comfortable domestic airspace to remote destination that 121 guys never are faced with navigating. In fact once we reach that foreign destination, usually a port of entry with some services, we often provide the services that our owners expect and take them on to some remote airport with NO services. Often we will do this and return to the states, dealing with all the necessary logistics required to make it happen in a single duty day. The whole time we have been performing the requires operational duties we have had to cater to the owners/ passenger in a very personal way that a 121 guy is never faced with.



“I believe that the union existence creates additional threats to the operational and financial freedom of the employees of a carrier and in many cases disrupts careers more than most people realize. “

The union existence does anything but disrupt the employees existence, it in fact protects the employees very existence. It removes the ability of guys like you from abusing the responsibilities of command. A union and a contract establishes that ground rules that both the employee and management will play the game by. In the above statement if you change the word employee to management you would have made a correct statement. But that’s exactly what you and your buddies Sh!thead and Babu can’t stand, having total and unilateral power and control over all of your employees impinged by a legal document, a contract.

“The thought of unions doing to a small fractional the same thing that they've done to big airlines just irks me. “

Unions didn’t have the negative effect on the airline industry and cause the turmoil that we have all witnessed. It was deregulation and piss poor management that was arrogant enough to believe that the “upstarts new guys” that resulted form deregulation could ever have a impact on an almighty established carrier and then failed to take action. Its so easy for you and your management inbred mentality to blame the demise of the major carriers on the Unions rather the looking in the mirror and seeing the real culprit.

“I've been laid off twice because of union actions and I'm sick of it. “

If you were laid off I’d bet the farm that it had nothing to do with a union action but could be traced back to, again, piss poor management.

“So, much to the dismay of many union advocates on this board that have NEVER had anything go wrong, I don't mind taking the other side of the issue.”

Bob, taking the other side of this issue is exactly what we expect you to do.

 

[Diesel]

I gotta chuckle.

B19 has the following aircraft listed : C310, B1900, SF-340

What would he know about big equipment, international ops, or even a circle approach to mins into an airport that is testing the limits of the airplane?

Could you even tell me how to make a position report? What about knowing that 40 bucks in mexico is what gets you from having to spend an hour being interrogated by the federalies? What about how to tell if the guy is putting prist in or using an empty can? Do you know how to create catering from a gas station so that the owners never know their catering never showed?

The list goes on and on. Too bad your experience doesn't.

 

[TurboHonda]

Don't work at FLOPS or at a fractional, aircraft are too small for me and the mission isn't challenging enough.

Once again, interest was a brief stint with a fractional, liked the concept but shuttered (sic) at how a union would shred a small fractional considering how they've torn apart larger air carriers.

What a pathetic clown. A liar pretending he's a snob.