November 8, the other “1108”

[chingaso]

I smelled bullsh*t too when I read Bob's letter about an alleged "sickout." They just cooked it up to smear the Union.

Remember last year? They thought there was going to be a sickout then, too. Paranoid. For the other folks benefit on this board, last year, the paranoid management at Flight Options got it into their heads that the pilots were going to stage a sick-out or something like that during the busy holiday season. SO, to counteract the alleged sickout, which was never even hinted at or thought about by the Flight Options pilots, Flight Options management pre-paid TEN MILLION DOLLARS worth of NON-REFUNDABLE charter over the holiday.

So FBOs across the country were full of static crews and the ramps full of quiet airplanes. Flight Options customers had to walk through FBO lobbies full of Flight Options pilots and go get in some chartered airplane instead of their green, ready-to-go-with-fresh-pilots Flight Options airplanes because of something that Sheeringa and Tyler "thought" was going to happen.

Ten Million Dollars. Unrefundable.

Somebody stepped on his ying-yang.

I guess this year they considered it more cost effective to just threaten the pilots against something they weren't even thinking about than to waste another 10 mil. Shrewd!!

 

[x402]

The hebrew highway will be a quiet one on that day.

Be sure to use that reference in your interview, everyone will be impressed.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I don't remember NJ's management concocting such a bizarre message during the '04-05 timeframe.

I wonder if the union-hating B19 will be disappointed or happy if 11/08 (the day) comes and there's no massive sickout. Will he suggest that, somehow, the union wasn't strong enough to pull it off or will he, in some illogical manner, suggest that the pilots are breaking from their union masters and going to work?

FLOPS pilots: operate safely, legally, and with ice water in your veins.

Neither. I think it's all bullsh*t.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Morons in Clown Town

Neither. I think it's all bullsh*t.

Now Bob I'll agree with that, IT IS ALL BULLSH!T. Its nothing more the FUD drummed up by our moronic managementt and their buddies at Ford & Harrison for their own underhanded agenda. Just more of what we have come to expect form low life's in clown town.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Now Bob I'll agree with that, IT IS ALL BULLSH!T. Its nothing more the FUD drummed up by our moronic managementt and their buddies at Ford & Harrison for their own underhanded agenda. Just more of what we have come to expect form low life's in clown town.

Why do companies keep hiring H & F? All H & F did for NetJets was drag out negotiations, costing the company money and ill-will from the pilots. In the end, the company offered a decent contract and H & F walked away with a big chunk of money after delaying that contract. So in essence, all H & F did was earn themselves a nice payday at the expense of their client's profitability.

I wonder why can't FLOPS and other companies see that, especially during times of negotations?

 

[B19 Flyer]

Why do companies keep hiring H & F? All H & F did for NetJets was drag out negotiations, costing the company money and ill-will from the pilots. In the end, the company offered a decent contract and H & F walked away with a big chunk of money after delaying that contract. So in essence, all H & F did was earn themselves a nice payday at the expense of their client's profitability.

I wonder why can't FLOPS and other companies see that, especially during times of negotations?

You made a few mistakes, you inserted the wrong words. I've corrected them for you. No need to thank me.

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Why do pilots keep unionizing? All unions did for NetJets was drag out negotiations, costing the company money and ill-will from management. In the end, the company offered a decent contract and unions walked away with a big chunk of money after delaying that contract. So in essence, all unions did was earn themselves a nice payday at the expense of their pilot's profitability.

I wonder why can't pilots and other companies see that, especially during times of negotations

 

[B19 Flyer]

Now Bob I'll agree with that, IT IS ALL BULLSH!T. Its nothing more the FUD drummed up by our moronic managementt and their buddies at Ford & Harrison for their own underhanded agenda. Just more of what we have come to expect form low life's in clown town.

It's equal bullsh*t from both sides.

No union, no bullsh*t.

And my name ain't Bob.

 

[imacdog]

Why do pilots keep unionizing? All unions did for NetJets was drag out negotiations, costing the company money and ill-will from management. In the end, the company offered a decent contract and unions walked away with a big chunk of money after delaying that contract. So in essence, all unions did was earn themselves a nice payday at the expense of their pilot's profitability.

I wonder why can't pilots and other companies see that, especially during times of negotations

Time to brush your teeth B, they're looking a little brown.

 

[skyismyoffice]

It's equal bullsh*t from both sides.

No union, no bullsh*t.

And my name ain't Bob.

You're funny Bob.

 

[Whoosh!]

You made a few mistakes, you inserted the wrong words. I've corrected them for you. No need to thank me.

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Why do pilots keep unionizing? All unions did for NetJets was drag out negotiations, costing the company money and ill-will from management. In the end, the company offered a decent contract and unions walked away with a big chunk of money after delaying that contract. So in essence, all unions did was earn themselves a nice payday at the expense of their pilot's profitability.

I wonder why can't pilots and other companies see that, especially during times of negotations

Bob, your views of the world are so scewed its a wonder you even passed your FAA medical. Maybe you had a bad childhood. I don't know much about your history (except your bullsh*t at Eastern) but I'm guessing at one point you were probably a decent guy. Then, you started acting like a fool saying and doing things like you do now. The other pilots probably started hating you, didn't want to fly with you, shunned you, and you were forced to find another way to stay in aviation (ie "desk"). Have you ever considered getting out all together? There's lots of other careers out there.

What are you gaining by posting on these boards anyway? What does it do for you? Nobody values your opinion, your only pissing people off & making enemies, and your accomplishing the complete opposite of what your trying to do by giving folks more reason to support their union when you post instigating material like this.

Maybe you're actually working for the union? If you are, my hat's off to you for such tactful, effective work! I'm sure we'll find out who you are in the end and commend you.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Medication

You made a few mistakes, you inserted the wrong words. I've corrected them for you. No need to thank me.

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Why do pilots keep unionizing? All unions did for NetJets was drag out negotiations, costing the company money and ill-will from management. In the end, the company offered a decent contract and unions walked away with a big chunk of money after delaying that contract. So in essence, all unions did was earn themselves a nice payday at the expense of their pilot's profitability.

I wonder why can't pilots and other companies see that, especially during times of negotations

"Bob" You really need to get back on your medication. These fancifully delusions that you are having, while comical, have you completely removed from reality. You know the events that are the history of the NJ negotiation and you know it was management that drug their feet for years with excuse after excuse for stalling the completion of a contract. The only thing that previous Union leadership was guilty of was poor leadership. The current leadership to their credit did a masterful job of forcing management to be serious about ending the negotiations process.

Take the meds "Bob":nuts:

 

[fischman]

Neither. I think it's all bullsh*t.

Holy cow!! We agree on SOMETHING!!

Then you ruined it with the same moronic crap you always try. I'm beginning to think you are completely hopeless:nuts:

You made a few mistakes, you inserted the wrong words. I've corrected them for you. No need to thank me.

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Why do pilots keep unionizing? Pilots unionize to protect themselves, their families, and their jobs. All unions did for NetJets was drag out negotiations, There wouldn't be any negotiations without the union, now would there? costing the company money and ill-will from management. Management came to 1108, not the other way around. In the end, the company offered a decent contract and unions walked away with a big chunk of money after delaying that contract. So in essence, all unions did was earn themselves a nice payday at the expense of their pilot's profitability. That last sentence makes no sense at all.

I wonder why can't pilots and other companies see that, especially during times of negotations

I added a few remarks in red for your consideration.

I do have a SERIOUS question for you. Why do you think a pilot goes to work? Is it to make money for the company?

Maybe they go to work to make money for their family? If THAT is the case, wouldn't that pilot want the very BEST for his/her family? Who would say to a company, "I think I earn too much. Would you reduce my salary for me? Thanks."

I'll tell you how I do it. I don't show up to work to make NJA a big pile of money. That is a pleasant side effect. I go to work to make money for my family. Do you think NJA is going to voluntarily pay me $100,000/year to fly a Citation Ultra? Nope. The only way I was going to get that is through the collective power of 1108.

Now, I've heard all of your arguments before. (Said in a whiney B19 voice) "Unions are going to do nothing but bankrupt companies." Look at NetJets B19. We are making money hand over fists. $109 million in the first 2 quarters. That is WITH a decent contract. Imagine what we are going to make under the 2007 TA!!!

Here is another thing to think about. Mr. Santulli has said that he wants some form on union on property. Why you ask? A union pilot is not going to be pressured to do something immoral, illegal, or unsafe because he will have union support. He WANTS the SAFEST operation possible.

 

[NETFLIER]

she's been right about one thing, her name ain't Bob, its Robert.

sorry for the misunderstanding Robert.:beer:

 

[Guitar Guy]

You made a few mistakes, you inserted the wrong words. I've corrected them for you. No need to thank me.

Sadly, Bob, your revisionist style doesn't jibe with the facts.

How many of the pilots you continue to beat down feel that they don't need a union?

Keep trying but sadly, every attempt to "educate" people to your absurd views does nothing more than unify the people you seek to dissuade.

So please, keep it up.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Sadly, Bob, your revisionist style doesn't jibe with the facts.

How many of the pilots you continue to beat down feel that they don't need a union?

Keep trying but sadly, every attempt to "educate" people to your absurd views does nothing more than unify the people you seek to dissuade.

So please, keep it up.

Those were your own words with "pilot" subsituted for "H&F".

Nothing more.

 

[B19 Flyer]

How many of the pilots you continue to beat down feel that they don't need a union?

Every single pilot that works where I do.

 

[Hobbes]

Does Bob/B19lyer post on any of the other boards here? Any threads other than the Flight Options threads? Flex threads? CS threads?

What a dork. If he is who he said he is, and is at an airline but comes on here and posts and reads this board...what a complete blubbering fool.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Every single pilot that works where I do.

You work for Flight Options and you honestly believe that "Every single pilot" at Flight Options feels that they don't need a union?

I wonder what the FLOPS pilots viewing this thread think of your statement.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Those were your own words with "pilot" subsituted for "H&F".

Nothing more.

And yet, it makes no sense to substitute "pilot" for H&F.

And yet at NetJets, management can actually work with 1108. It's a concept worth exploring.

 

[skyismyoffice]

I guess 10% (maximum) feel we absolutely don't need a Union. That's not to say 90% are totally on board. There will always be a percentage who would like to reap the benefits afforded by the Union, but refuse to help. Just my 2 cents...