November 8, the other “1108”

[FracMonkey]

Don't work at FLOPS or at a fractional, aircraft are too small for me and the mission isn't challenging enough.

Once again, interest was a brief stint with a fractional, liked the concept but shuttered at how a union would shred a small fractional considering how they've torn apart larger air carriers.

Aspen (shot the approach to company minimums), weather cleared in time to go to Telluride, Sun Valley (approach there too)and San Fran (Quiet Bridge visual next to a 747) all in the same day. All the way across the country to do the Northeast corridor shuffle later in the week and the Hanukkah highway to cap off the adventure. Yeah, that's not challenging!

Puh-leez!

 

[B19 Flyer]

Aspen (shot the approach to company minimums), weather cleared in time to go to Telluride, Sun Valley (approach there too)and San Fran (Quiet Bridge visual next to a 747) all in the same day. All the way across the country to do the Northeast corridor shuffle later in the week and the Hanukkah highway to cap off the adventure. Yeah, that's not challenging!

Puh-leez!

I know how tough the fractional flying is, and I never said that it wasn't.

What gets lost amongst the banter is that I am deeply involved in aircraft operations. In all fairness, you only traveled through two or three time zones and the controllers all spoke and understood English in a well established airspace system. The challenges of big iron (even you mentioned the big Boeing beside you) though international airspace worldwide is a little different and to me a lot more interesting.

I simply don't believe that a union adds anything on to what is already a very challenging business. I believe that the union existence creates additional threats to the operational and financial freedom of the employees of a carrier and in many cases disrupts careers more than most people realize. The thought of unions doing to a small fractional the same thing that they've done to big airlines just irks me. I've been laid off twice because of union actions and I'm sick of it. So, much to the dismay of many union advocates on this board that have NEVER had anything go wrong, I don't mind taking the other side of the issue.

Don't think for a moment though that I don't support what actually happens in the airplane or how hard it is to operate into the ever-changing environment the fractionals operate in. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have enormous respect for that. It's a whole different issue altogether.

 

[SilverSurfer]

I know how tough the fractional flying is, and I never said that it wasn't.

What gets lost amongst the banter is that I am deeply involved in aircraft operations. In all fairness, you only traveled through two or three time zones and the controllers all spoke and understood English in a well established airspace system. The challenges of big iron (even you mentioned the big Boeing beside you) though international airspace worldwide is a little different and to me a lot more interesting.

I simply don't believe that a union adds anything on to what is already a very challenging business. I believe that the union existence creates additional threats to the operational and financial freedom of the employees of a carrier and in many cases disrupts careers more than most people realize. The thought of unions doing to a small fractional the same thing that they've done to big airlines just irks me. I've been laid off twice because of union actions and I'm sick of it. So, much to the dismay of many union advocates on this board that have NEVER had anything go wrong, I don't mind taking the other side of the issue.

Don't think for a moment though that I don't support what actually happens in the airplane or how hard it is to operate into the ever-changing environment the fractionals operate in. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have enormous respect for that. It's a whole different issue altogether.

“I know how tough the fractional flying is “

No I don’t think you have any idea just how demanding our jobs are. Compared to the jobs a major 121 carrier pilot has ours places many more demands on us that they never have to face.

“ In all fairness, you only traveled through two or three time zones and the controllers all spoke and understood English in a well established airspace system. The challenges of big iron (even you mentioned the big Boeing beside you) though international airspace worldwide is a little different and to me a lot more interesting.”

We do have to cross international boundaries and time zones on a regular basis. We have to communicate with international controllers, we do fly outside of our safe and comfortable domestic airspace to remote destination that 121 guys never are faced with navigating. In fact once we reach that foreign destination, usually a port of entry with some services, we often provide the services that our owners expect and take them on to some remote airport with NO services. Often we will do this and return to the states, dealing with all the necessary logistics required to make it happen in a single duty day. The whole time we have been performing the requires operational duties we have had to cater to the owners/ passenger in a very personal way that a 121 guy is never faced with.



“I believe that the union existence creates additional threats to the operational and financial freedom of the employees of a carrier and in many cases disrupts careers more than most people realize. “

The union existence does anything but disrupt the employees existence, it in fact protects the employees very existence. It removes the ability of guys like you from abusing the responsibilities of command. A union and a contract establishes that ground rules that both the employee and management will play the game by. In the above statement if you change the word employee to management you would have made a correct statement. But that’s exactly what you and your buddies Sh!thead and Babu can’t stand, having total and unilateral power and control over all of your employees impinged by a legal document, a contract.

“The thought of unions doing to a small fractional the same thing that they've done to big airlines just irks me. “

Unions didn’t have the negative effect on the airline industry and cause the turmoil that we have all witnessed. It was deregulation and piss poor management that was arrogant enough to believe that the “upstarts new guys” that resulted form deregulation could ever have a impact on an almighty established carrier and then failed to take action. Its so easy for you and your management inbred mentality to blame the demise of the major carriers on the Unions rather the looking in the mirror and seeing the real culprit.

“I've been laid off twice because of union actions and I'm sick of it. “

If you were laid off I’d bet the farm that it had nothing to do with a union action but could be traced back to, again, piss poor management.

“So, much to the dismay of many union advocates on this board that have NEVER had anything go wrong, I don't mind taking the other side of the issue.”

Bob, taking the other side of this issue is exactly what we expect you to do.

 

[Diesel]

I gotta chuckle.

B19 has the following aircraft listed : C310, B1900, SF-340

What would he know about big equipment, international ops, or even a circle approach to mins into an airport that is testing the limits of the airplane?

Could you even tell me how to make a position report? What about knowing that 40 bucks in mexico is what gets you from having to spend an hour being interrogated by the federalies? What about how to tell if the guy is putting prist in or using an empty can? Do you know how to create catering from a gas station so that the owners never know their catering never showed?

The list goes on and on. Too bad your experience doesn't.

 

[TurboHonda]

Don't work at FLOPS or at a fractional, aircraft are too small for me and the mission isn't challenging enough.

Once again, interest was a brief stint with a fractional, liked the concept but shuttered (sic) at how a union would shred a small fractional considering how they've torn apart larger air carriers.

What a pathetic clown. A liar pretending he's a snob.

 

[Greaseman]

Actually it's worse.

He's the PUPPET of a pathetic clown, trying to be snob.

 

[jonjuan]

Tomorrow's the big day. Anyone have the sniffles???

 

[SilverSurfer]

Somthing I ate

OH no,...... I'm getting that feeling,.....uke: those rumbles down deep,.....uke: things moving around,......uke: OMG was it that Sushi I had tonight,.....uke: should I call OCC now or wait until 0600 just to make sure I'm not going to make it,......uke: better go get the Pepto nowuke:

 

[Whoosh!]

I got to say, I'm really entertained by this thread. Every time Bob/B19 opens his mouth he quickly gets shot down with proof that discredits everything he has to say. Whoever you are B19, you're getting nowhere (as I said earlier). Better hope your identity doesn't get revealed... the nicest thing that could happen would be that you end up the laughing stock of the aviation community (or of your union busting buddies, if that's the industry your in). You're failing miserably at whatever you're trying to do and you look like more and more of a pathetic looser each time you post.

 

[B19 Flyer]

I gotta chuckle.

B19 has the following aircraft listed : C310, B1900, SF-340

What would he know about big equipment, international ops, or even a circle approach to mins into an airport that is testing the limits of the airplane?

Could you even tell me how to make a position report? What about knowing that 40 bucks in mexico is what gets you from having to spend an hour being interrogated by the federalies? What about how to tell if the guy is putting prist in or using an empty can? Do you know how to create catering from a gas station so that the owners never know their catering never showed?

The list goes on and on. Too bad your experience doesn't.

You make me smile this morning. Mexico? Is that the best you can do? I don't consider International as being in this hemisphere, and not all 121 flying is scheduled. Let's talk about some track work and 180 ETOPS if you want to talk position reports. The language of interogation won't be Spanish, and it sure as hell won't be only for an hour. Not trying to compare experience because I'll give you the stick and rudder time. But that's where it ends. Perhaps you misunderstood the compliment I was giving on type of flying that fractionals do. Kinda sad really, because when the sh*t his the fan, it's somebody like me that is going to bail your a$$ out..

 

[bchjetdrvr]

COUGH COUGH HACK HACK...........UH OH....I'm either sick or fatigued, I can't tell. Maybe I should make a trip to the ER cause of the vomitting I experienced this morning. I'm sure the docs will diagnose it as either food poisoning uke: or B19 post(ing) traumatic syndrome. :nuts: B19PTS for short.

What a shame. :bawling: Maybe some else will be able to do some of the flying today. I know...I'll call Ed May! I sucked in some birds, a thanksgiving frozen turkey, my ex-wife and some engine plugs through my engine this morning. My bird is already to go. Just the way he likes it. And to make sure I really got it ready, I didn't do anything about it.


PS- Does anyone have a good cover letter & resume format they could send ED MAY. He might need it soon.
http://unemployment.ohio.gov/

 

[FR8DOG777]

Blah,blah,blah, Blah, Blah

B-19 you couldn't bail your own A$$ out of a babies wash basin. You hold a pretty high opinion of yerself there Napoleon. We are doing just fine and will continue to do so without your help there Chuck Yeager.

 

[B19 Flyer]

B-19 you couldn't bail your own A$$ out of a babies wash basin. You hold a pretty high opinion of yerself there Napoleon. We are doing just fine and will continue to do so without your help there Chuck Yeager.

You need to read the post again.

I didn't say "me", I said, "Somebody like me."

You either are SO good that you never need any help, or when you need help you must be SO good that you never tap into the resources that can truly help. Tsk Tsk. Who really has the ego there pal?

I hope you don't read approach plates the same way! :laugh:

 

[fischman]

You need to read the post again.

I didn't say "me", I said, "Somebody like me."

You either are SO good that you never need any help, or when you need help you must be SO good that you never tap into the resources that can truly help. Tsk Tsk. Who really has the ego there pal?

I hope you don't read approach plates the same way! :laugh:

You are correct.

I sure am glad to have the resources of IBT 1108.

 

[B19 Flyer]

You are correct.

I sure am glad to have the resources of IBT 1108.

I encourage you to utilize those resources, you pay enough for them. Doesn't mean that you'll get any better help than non-union pilots get for free though.