Not all Regionals think crewrest is unimportant

[A-V-8]

That's the problem. Mesa pilots don't have a spine.

Some Mesa pilots have spines. I called in fatigued once and went home. I have called in sick knowing that my flights would cancel because of it. I called in sick once and as I was passing my flight walking for my jump seat home a passenger yelled at me and said “You better run because they’re looking for a captain for this one.” and the terminal burst into laughter. I did too!

Our contract passed 400 to 418. So do the 400 no voters have spines. If maybe is the answer then can they at least be in a pool for consideration of spine-e-ness.

I agree with you about the weakness of our pilot group but from someone on the inside I think a lot of the fear is from the perception of our chapter of ALPA not being able to protect us. We have been unionized for a while now and look what we have to show for it. But trust me on this one; we are not all spineless.

 

[SEVEN]

Some Mesa pilots have spines. I called in fatigued once and went home. I have called in sick knowing that my flights would cancel because of it. I called in sick once and as I was passing my flight walking for my jump seat home a passenger yelled at me and said “You better run because they’re looking for a captain for this one.” and the terminal burst into laughter. I did too!

Our contract passed 400 to 418. So do the 400 no voters have spines. If maybe is the answer then can they at least be in a pool for consideration of spine-e-ness.

I agree with you about the weakness of our pilot group but from someone on the inside I think a lot of the fear is from the perception of our chapter of ALPA not being able to protect us. We have been unionized for a while now and look what we have to show for it. But trust me on this one; we are not all spineless.

Let me correct the record: The majority of Mesa pilots are spineless. There are a few who are not. Very rare though.

 

[Whine Lover]

" I called in fatigued once. "

With 2500 hours you are way ahead of most of the people reading this forum.

Most people are too chicken-sh!t to do what is required of them by regulation (and common sense ) due to fear of retribution. ( Such as call in sick on a layover, or not fly when fatigued, etc. )

You have a responsibility, to yourself, your Family, the FAA, and the flying public/your passengers, to make the call if so necessary.

I never abused the F-Call...But, I damn sure used it as needed.

- Delays/14 hour day/minimum rest at a hotel with construction starting at 7am? 4 hours of sleep for the night and ready to start another 12 hour day?

NFW Jose'. Fatigued.

- 5 hours on the ground waiting to go due to WX. Duty day will now be 16 hrs. Oops, my 3 year old woke me up at 6am so now I will be shooting an approach, in an area of heavy thunderstorms, most likely to mins ( ala' forecast wx ) all at...You guessed it, 5am the following morning due to the delay/taxi-back/re-fuel. 23 hours without sleep, but ALL perfectly legal.

Adios Amigo. FU. Fatigued.

The above are only 2 examples.

Do the above scenarios sound familiar to anyone? ( Sure they do. )

And ya'll went flying.

Didn't you?

Mesa pilots are Mesa pilots. No different than any others.

90% of the pilots that I have met have no spine.

I know jags in this business who just keep doing this krap, taking the abuse, 12-15-20,000 hours down the road, and have never called in fatigued ( even once) when they REALLY SHOULD HAVE.

Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was....


Love,

YKW

P.S. - In case you are wondering. I had 2 airline jobs over a 21 year period. I was only questioned once about a fatigue/sick call. When upper management got a hold of that fact ( the previous CP was an idiot ) they were scared sh!tless and IMMEDIATELY went to my file and erased the record of me having been questioned about it.

I however, made it a point to let them know that I had kept my copy just so that they were clear.....DFWM.

Lesson: They will try and force exactly as much cock down your throat as you let them.

You hold the upper hand. If only you are smart enough to realize it.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Supposedly, they buy one hotel room (for the entire crew) and let them fight over who gets it.

Oh boy, I can see how this plays out too.


F/O: Capt, you were impressive last night with that ILS approach.

CAPT: Thanks man, you were really impressive in the shower this morning...you know, dong wise.

 

[Redtailer]

There are no absolutes. Landed in Albany one night at 2:00 AM. Took one look at the only hotel room they could get in the city (NY state bar exam was the next day and the city was sold out) and WISHED that I had stayed the night on the airplane. Of course, a G-IV with a running APU is nicer than a lot of hotel rooms but I digress......

You bet it is, but still wouldn't do it. I have repositioned to other cities just for that very reason. That's the cost of doing business on short notice.

 

[gutshotdraw]

We talked about it but it was 3 am by that time and had been on duty for just over 14 hours. Ended up staying in the hotel the absolute minimum, ferried to Teeterhole, pulled the plug for fatigue for the rest of the day. As the F/A (a great sport about the whole thing) put it: "The only things missing were the bullet hole in the wall and the chalk outline on the floor."