Norwegian Air vs ALPA

[bigboeings]

If the US airlines wold hire qualified people then we would have no interest in going to places like Norwegian. I have 14000+ hrs. With 10 years of wide body captain time and find myself unemployed. No majors are calling me. I'd go to norwegian in a heartbeat if they took FAA licenses.

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

I see a big advertisement board in OAK for Norwegian Air - I hope there not coming

 

[DUBLINFLYER]

Ryan Air has a about 25% share of Aer Lingus and O'Leary is trying buy EI so that he can use their A330's and gates in BOS, JFK, ORD and SFO

 

[Dumb Pilot]

If the US airlines wold hire qualified people then we would have no interest in going to places like Norwegian. I have 14000+ hrs. With 10 years of wide body captain time and find myself unemployed. No majors are calling me. I'd go to norwegian in a heartbeat if they took FAA licenses.

http://www.crewresourcesworldwide.com/positions.htm

I realize that your experience is in Boeings, but there are a couple of Airbus contracts there that although not very attractive money wise, it is a good way to get 500 on type, that will open other doors for you!

Not much hiring of experienced pilots at the majors, unless you have a military background or well connected....!

 

[dicko]

My cynical feeling is that nothing ALPA or SWAPA says will make any difference. We could show film of NIA executives involved in child trafficking and congress and the FAA would ignore it.

Airlines lobbyists on the other hand ...... We're talking about a group that can convince a government entity responsible for safety that ;

~ Smoke detectors aren't really needed, right now.
~ It's safe to operate complex machinery for 16 hours.
~ cargo airplanes don't crash
~ lithium batteries are safe, despite the fiery crashes.

If anybody can do it, A4A can do it.

 

[bigboeings]

Yeah I've looked at a lot of that stuff. At this point putting up with crappy pay is not an option at this point. It sucks to be at this point and overqualified and unemployed.

 

[SWA Bubba]

My cynical feeling is that nothing ALPA or SWAPA says will make any difference. We could show film of NIA executives involved in child trafficking and congress and the FAA would ignore it.

Airlines lobbyists on the other hand ...... We're talking about a group that can convince a government entity responsible for safety that ;

~ Smoke detectors aren't really needed, right now.
~ It's safe to operate complex machinery for 16 hours.
~ cargo airplanes don't crash
~ lithium batteries are safe, despite the fiery crashes.

If anybody can do it, A4A can do it.

Dicko? Cynical?

Say it ain't so....

Bubba

 

[dicko]

Yeah I've looked at a lot of that stuff. At this point putting up with chappy pay is not an option at this point. It sucks to be at this point and overqualified.

I hate to see anybody in this position. I hope things take a turn for the better soon.

I'm sure that you've already thought of this, but - Etihad and Qatar ? Both are hiring, both have fairly quick upgrades and respectable pay. I'm sure you know the downsides etc.

 

[dicko]

Dicko? Cynical?

Say it ain't so....

Bubba

Cynical optimist

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

My cynical feeling is that nothing ALPA or SWAPA says will make any difference. We could show film of NIA executives involved in child trafficking and congress and the FAA would ignore it.

Airlines lobbyists on the other hand ...... We're talking about a group that can convince a government entity responsible for safety that ;

~ Smoke detectors aren't really needed, right now.
~ It's safe to operate complex machinery for 16 hours.
~ cargo airplanes don't crash
~ lithium batteries are safe, despite the fiery crashes.

If anybody can do it, A4A can do it.

A4A is firmly behind denying NAI a certificate along with 4 legacy carriers. There is a lot of horsepower there.

"If you say you can't, then you won't"

 

[General Lee]

Ryan Air has a about 25% share of Aer Lingus and O'Leary is trying buy EI so that he can use their A330's and gates in BOS, JFK, ORD and SFO

And how many times has he been told NO by the Irish Govt? Ireland wants to keep it's National airline intact.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

http://www.crewresourcesworldwide.com/positions.htm

I realize that your experience is in Boeings, but there are a couple of Airbus contracts there that although not very attractive money wise, it is a good way to get 500 on type, that will open other doors for you!

Not much hiring of experienced pilots at the majors, unless you have a military background or well connected....!

Rumor is 850 this year at DL, and 850 a year for several after that. The other legacies will be hiring too. The Military pool will dry up sooner than later.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Rumor is 850 this year at DL, and 850 a year for several after that. The other legacies will be hiring too. The Military pool will dry up sooner than later.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I don't listen to rumors, I go by what my friends and colleagues are experiencing and that is very few getting interviews and large numbers of those getting the "thanks but no thanks" while the majors are filling classes with people with less than a third of the experience level they have.....! I just don't believe in the "nothing but blue skies ahead" none sense, it's never been the case..!

 

[Smarta$$]

It is essential to understand that the price of anything in a "free market" is unrelated to the cost of production. An airline will set up a ticket price structure that attempts to maximize the revenue generated by each flight. They may make or lose money, but the goal is for the system to generate as much revenue as possible. Ticket prices are unaffected by how much the pilots make. The airlines will not lower ticket prices if the airlines are allowed to use half price pilots. They will just make higher profits. This is true across all industries. Did the price for car and trucks go down when they started making them with brutally repressed cheap labor in Mexico? No, but profits went up.

It is not ALPA vs customers. The customers will pay the same prices. It is not ALPA pilots vs NA pilots. It is the 1% vs the 99% like it is everywhere else.

As a regional pilot I have to wonder why ALPA is so upset about this now and not back when they created the regional airline system (which is massive compared to the NA threat) that is full of half price pilots, mechanics, FA's, ramp workers, etc. When you look at the good profits at some major airlines or worry about the NA threat, don't forget about the tens of thousands of people already working at half price at the regionals.

Scott

I agree Scott. But they care now because this threatens their big ego planes. I do think it should be stopped, but agree with you on the selective outrage....

 

[General Lee]

I don't listen to rumors, I go by what my friends and colleagues are experiencing and that is very few getting interviews and large numbers of those getting the "thanks but no thanks" while the majors are filling classes with people with less than a third of the experience level they have.....! I just don't believe in the "nothing but blue skies ahead" none sense, it's never been the case..!

Uhhhhhh, oh-Kay? 96 were hired in April (4 classes of 24) and JG stated to a pal that 100 a month (really 96) for the next 5, to "catch up."

Also, "blue skies ahead" might be the case with the number of actual retirements coming up. Do you not think thousands will retire in the next 5 years at all three legacies? I'd say things are looking up. Have you seen movement at Air Japan?


Bye Bye---General Lee