Norwegian Air vs ALPA

[Green]

Guys,

Bit of a reality check. The lowest paid pilots in the world are ALPA represented RJ pilots. Where do you find professional pilots earning 19-25k per year? in the USA and they are represented by ALPA. I think ALPA should work hard on fixing their own house first. The only US pilots making good money are those at the top of the pyramid.

A european can go to easyjet or Ryanair for a few years and then find themselves in the left seat of a 787 based in Bangkok making 15k/month. Doesn't sound like a bad gig to me. Compare that to an American who spends a year or two flight instructing for food, then spends nearly a decade making poverty wages in order to land a job with DAL or UAL for 60k/year. After another 20 years or so he/she if they are extremely fortunate will get to the left seat of a 787 making 25k/month. Who is better off in those scenarios? The American who spent his 20's and 30's living in poverty, decent wages in their 40's, and finally the big payoff in their late 50's? Seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Guys,

Bit of a reality check. The lowest paid pilots in the world are ALPA represented RJ pilots. Where do you find professional pilots earning 19-25k per year? in the USA and they are represented by ALPA. I think ALPA should work hard on fixing their own house first. The only US pilots making good money are those at the top of the pyramid.

A european can go to easyjet or Ryanair for a few years and then find themselves in the left seat of a 787 based in Bangkok making 15k/month. Doesn't sound like a bad gig to me. Compare that to an American who spends a year or two flight instructing for food, then spends nearly a decade making poverty wages in order to land a job with DAL or UAL for 60k/year. After another 20 years or so he/she if they are extremely fortunate will get to the left seat of a 787 making 25k/month. Who is better off in those scenarios? The American who spent his 20's and 30's living in poverty, decent wages in their 40's, and finally the big payoff in their late 50's? Seems like a no brainer to me.

How is that ALPAs fault? North America has always had the most flying jobs and the best compensation. With all the jobs over here, the airlines could be choosy and squeeze the applicants. Now with new carriers emerging, the supply is not meeting the demand and all salaries will come up. This is a new GOOD Problem to have. With all the regionals telling management to pound sand, they are stepping up to get back what is there.

We had a lost decade in our business and now is the time to get it back. How is it ALPAs fault that kids will get their parents to cough up over 100K to learn to fly knowing it pays peanuts says more about the supply not sweating the pay and blaming the stagnation caused by the last decade on somebody....anybody.

 

[PCL_128]

SWAPA's there, right with ALPA and others fighting this. While I don't know exactly how much money we've "dropped" on the issue (unlike you, I'm actually a pilot and not just a union guy; I don't have the numbers at my fingertips), I do know that SWAPA is very active on the issue. They're reminding us every week to step up on this issue...

...Edit: just noticed Wave's explanation...

So I guess what I'm saying PCL, is that you can probably stop trying to make this yet another "SWAPA-sucks-because-they're-not-ALPA-and-everyone-knows-that-only-ALPA-is-worth-a-sh1t" issue. You know?

Bubba

Talk is free. Show me the money!

 

[bigboeings]

[ByQUOTE=General Lee;2475856]Rumor is 850 this year at DL, and 850 a year for several after that. The other legacies will be hiring too. The Military pool will dry up sooner than later.


Bye Bye---General Lee[/QUOTE]

Got my stuff in at Delta, got one internal recommendation. Still waiting for the phone to ring, the problem is, I'm not former military, my guess anyways.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Last class had only two military in it.....don't worry, the military factor is not as large as rumored.

Good luck Bigboeings

 

[General Lee]

[ByQUOTE=General Lee;2475856]Rumor is 850 this year at DL, and 850 a year for several after that. The other legacies will be hiring too. The Military pool will dry up sooner than later.


Bye Bye---General Lee

The key is the recommendation. If it comes from a DL employee, especially a pilot, they HAVE TO look at it. Seeing your qualifications, I'd bet you get a call sooner than later. Good luck.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[SpauldingSmails]

[ByQUOTE=General Lee;2475856]Rumor is 850 this year at DL, and 850 a year for several after that. The other legacies will be hiring too. The Military pool will dry up sooner than later.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Got my stuff in at Delta, got one internal recommendation. Still waiting for the phone to ring, the problem is, I'm not former military, my guess anyways.[/QUOTE]


Be patient. An acquaintance of mine was just given a June class date after being offered the job at Delta in November. Once HR can start seeing the bottom of the pool, I'm sure phones will start lighting up again.

 

[General Lee]

Got my stuff in at Delta, got one internal recommendation. Still waiting for the phone to ring, the problem is, I'm not former military, my guess anyways.

Be patient. An acquaintance of mine was just given a June class date after being offered the job at Delta in November. Once HR can start seeing the bottom of the pool, I'm sure phones will start lighting up again.[/QUOTE]

Guys interviewed in March are now getting June classes. June and July will now have 100 newhires each. After that, back to 50 per month.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[bigboeings]

Thanks for the update guys. Got to find something soon just to stay current anyways.

 

[uba757]

Thanks for the update guys. Got to find something soon just to stay current anyways.

Good Luck!!!!!! Hope you get a job soon!!!