Northwest Flight Attendants Reject Second Tentative Agreement

[DTW320]

Come on 320AV8R....pilot groups at Bankrupt carriers aren't supposed to give up anything! BK is a great opportunity for contract enhancements! It's OK though to forego enhancements in order to help-out the pilots at your regionals. No really.....some 9E and XJ pilots told me all about how it works...

Recalls start in October. And that decision was made BEFORE the pension legislation passed last night.

 

[JP4user]

Really a warped world when some pft twerp pcl_128 is lecturing mainline guys about the industry.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Newco did not happen. If you knew NWA's definition of Newco and compared it to the TA you would have a CHANCE of not looking like a complete idiot here.

Talking about sounding like an idiot. I can't believe that you are really that stupid WTF do you think Compass is?
If blaming the regionals for your lack of vision is your thing? Then go right ahead. I remind you that because of the erosion of your jobs a lot of NWA furlough's had to come here.
Whatever twist you want to put on it. The fact is that you gave up on MORE outsourcing, Newco, Compass= $hit sandwich.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Really a warped world when some pft twerp pcl_128 is lecturing mainline guys about the industry.

Go lurk in the corporate forum and entertain each other with your Driving The Big Limo stories there, this is a Red Tail matter.



You have to admit,That's funny right there.

 

[JP4user]

Go lurk in the corporate forum and entertain each other with your Driving The Big Limo stories there, this is a Red Tail matter.



You have to admit,That's funny right there.

Sorry can't find that thread. Red Tail issues hit pretty close to home so I will stay right here and continue to watch the fun. Did the pft comment make you a little uneasy?

 

[Thomas39]

Have some compassion for stupid animals

Come on guys, don't be so hard on PCL and Dumb Pilot.

They can't help it. They are too stupid to argue with. It is obvious from their posts they have never read our TA, do not have the mental capacity to understand what the rest of the industry gave up in scope in comparison to us, and quite possably can't read, speak or understand english. (I thought that was a prerequisite for a private pilot certificate). They are just responding to the rumors that fly around our feeder carriers. Try to think of them as the stupid gorilla you get to look at when you go to the zoo. Have pitty on their feeble little minds but try to ignore them.

 

[DTW320]

Talking about sounding like an idiot. I can't believe that you are really that stupid WTF do you think Compass is?
If blaming the regionals for your lack of vision is your thing? Then go right ahead. I remind you that because of the erosion of your jobs a lot of NWA furlough's had to come here.
Whatever twist you want to put on it. The fact is that you gave up on MORE outsourcing, Newco, Compass= $hit sandwich.

WTF do I think Compass is? I think it is a concession brought about by being in BK. I think it is FAR better than what NWA was proposing in their original demand.

The FACT is you can't/haven't produced a SINGLE comparison point between the current TA and what NWA was asking before....despite several requests. The FACT, apparently, is Thomas39 is exactly right and you don't let your complete lack of knowledge of a subject prevent you from living up to your screen name here with every post.

Psssst: In your cute little "profile" to the left, under "ratings" you ask: "WITCH one do you need?It is a phone call away". Besides that being revealing as to your TRUE qualifications, I was wondering if a Warlock or a Wizard could get one by phone too?

Sorry Thomas39, you are right....I should just ignore them....but, like talking to that crazy person on the sidewalk downtown, it's just too much fun!

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Did the pft comment make you a little uneasy?

Back in 1980 my idea of Pay for Training was to get the keys of the plane from the old man's pocket! just messing with you a little JP4, I did the corporate gig for many years too.

It is obvious from their posts they have never read our TA, do not have the mental capacity to understand what the rest of the industry gave up in scope in comparison to us,

I don't know bro.! The argument of our crappy TA is less crappy than other TA's out there is kind off trying to feel better about loosing our careers little by little Isn't it?
The other day my kid started talking pilot and I just don't know if where this career is going is what I want for him. Something needs to be done to stop the hemorrhage and the way to do it is to start working together, ALL drivers of a particular brand under the same list, contract, work rules. But I don't know, it seems that the way that our association is structured is working more towards keeping us divided (Management's dream). Where will it stop? it's already up to 76 seats. Where is it going? Back in the day we used to say that the difference between Mainline and the regionals was paddles.
Considering all the circumstances, maybe your right. It could have being a lot worst. but maybe, we could have being talking about the NWA pilot group only, instead of outsourced work. Maybe the right seat of the SAAB should be the entry level A/C at NWA? Could that scenario put me out of a job or downgrade me to F/O on the SAAB when all the dust settles? possibly. But you know what? I would do it just to start turning this thing around in a heart beat!
Didn't mean any disrespect, just tired after having lived two downturns.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

In your cute little "profile" to the left, under "ratings" you ask: "WITCH one do you need?It is a phone call away". Besides that being revealing as to your TRUE qualifications, I was wondering if a Warlock or a Wizard could get one by phone too?

Thank you for bringing it to my attention skipper. Having three languages in my head gets messy. After all Dumb Pilot says it all.

 

[CubanSmoker]

You guys need a hobby.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

This is weird, it appears pinnacle is allowing compass to operate one of it's crj's under the compass flag using pinnacles resources.

 

[IB6 UB9]

The ultimate excuse of the mainline pilots. They negotiate the erosion of their QOL, they negotiate the out sourcing of their flying, they bring the bar lower each time. And then turn around and point fingers at the people that accept the positions that THEY CREATED.
You where too chicken $hit to fight and die for your rights while accepting mediocre conditions and at the same time putting language that hurt Mesaba jobs directly while accepting what your MEC said It would be a "Die on this hill issue" Newco.
Hypocrisy at its best

I just changed your name to Smart Pilot.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

The ultimate excuse of the mainline pilots. They negotiate the erosion of their QOL, they negotiate the out sourcing of their flying, they bring the bar lower each time. And then turn around and point fingers at the people that accept the positions that THEY CREATED.
You where too chicken $hit to fight and die for your rights while accepting mediocre conditions and at the same time putting language that hurt Mesaba jobs directly while accepting what your MEC said It would be a "Die on this hill issue" Newco.
Hypocrisy at its best

You act like mainline should of fallen on its sword to protect scope that was already given up at every other bankrupt carrier. So tell me why liquidation of mainline would have helped mesaba or pinnacle.

 

[PCL_128]

You act like mainline should of fallen on its sword to protect scope that was already given up at every other bankrupt carrier. So tell me why liquidation of mainline would have helped mesaba or pinnacle.

There's your problem: you assume that standing up for yourselves would have resulted in the liquidation of Northwest Airlines. I don't believe that for a second. If you had rejected the POS TA, then another TA would have been negotiated in short order with more favorable terms. They played on your emotions perfectly and you fell for it.

 

[xjlifer]

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[320AV8R]

If you had rejected the POS TA, then another TA would have been negotiated in short order with more favorable terms. They played on your emotions perfectly and you fell for it.

Since you are so prolific, can I please get some good stock tips from you?

BTW, the 3 financial analysts, 2 or 3 law firms, ALPA legal reps, reps from Peter J Soloman, something-Weiss & Simon, most of the NWA MEC, the NWA ALPA Negotiating team, the MEC Chairman & over two-thirds of the +/- 6000 line pilots disagreed with the opinion you state above. But I guess you're just better informed.

 

[TurboAWD]

No, he can just see better because he is looking from the outside.
BTW, isn't that what happed to the FA's?

 

[ExAF]

CAll a Waaaaambulance

Didn't mean any disrespect, just tired after having lived two downturns.

My heart bleeds for you. Try making it to mainline and living through 2 furloughs...tiring...very tiring. As a matter of fact, I've been furloughed 42% of my time at the majors. At least you are still working. Everybody has their cross to bear. And no, I'm not whining or asking for sympathy. I blame management and corporate greed, not other pilot groups.

 

[Thomas39]

Why don't YOU stand up for yourself at Pinnacle where you have the distinction of having one of the worse contracts in the industry. Why didn't YOUR pilot group negotiate and obtain a better contract than you have now?Put your money where your mouth is buddy!! How many pilot strikes has Pinnacle had? How many times has NWA pilots stood up and struck when/where necessary? Do a little research Jacka$$

 

[PCL_128]

Why don't YOU stand up for yourself at Pinnacle where you have the distinction of having one of the worse contracts in the industry. Why didn't YOUR pilot group negotiate and obtain a better contract than you have now?Put your money where your mouth is buddy!!

We are. We have already turned down several concessionary proposals from management.

The contract we have now was one of the best for a turboprop operator when it was signed ('99 when we were an all-Saab fleet).