Non-IFR..When is final approach determined?

[Sniper Bob]

All of these can be established many many miles from the A/P. So, if your on a 10 mile final... You are right of way to all others?

You can be on glide path 10 miles out, but you will not be below pattern altitude.

 

[A Squared]

By the way, does anyone know what zugzug means?

It's an ancient tribal ritual during which natives sodomize captured missionaries. Also known as bungawa, depending on who's telling the joke.

 

[Fury220]

It's an ancient tribal ritual during which natives sodomize captured missionaries. Also known as bungawa, depending on who's telling the joke.

I know that joke...


"...DEATH BY ZUGZUG!!!" haha

 

[DC8 Flyer]

It's an ancient tribal ritual during which natives sodomize captured missionaries. Also known as bungawa, depending on who's telling the joke.

I thought it was "death by boogalooga"??

 

[zugzug]

Bob

You can be on glide path 10 miles out, but you will not be below pattern altitude.

Ummkay, so how many miles from the runway do the glidepath and pattern alt. intersect? BTW... I recall saying "NO ILS".

 

[gkrangers]

nm....

 

[zugzug]

Trig: I don't know her.

 

[Sniper Bob]

You can be on glide path 10 miles out, but you will not be below pattern altitude.

Ummkay, so how many miles from the runway do the glidepath and pattern alt. intersect? BTW... I recall saying "NO ILS".

Many VFR-only runways have a VASI. If they don't, you could probably use some pilot math and calculate your own 3 degree glide slope.

As for how far out the glideslope intersects pattern altitude, use the trig you learned in high school. Let me help: one angle of the triangle is 3 degrees, and the leg opposite the known angle is 1000 feet. I'm sure there's a math formula to figure the leg adjacent the known angel. I could tell you, but you wouldn't learn anything.

 

[zugzug]

I'm feeling a hint of smartass in your reply

Well, you never answered the question with anything but whimsical advice. I guess you can't answer it.

Ahhh screw it! As I said before, I was looking for something concrete. Nobody had it so

Die thread DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pilotmiketx]

Ask Doc...
www.propilot.com

 

[TurboS7]

Most 121 FOM's require you to be stabilized at either 500 feet or 1000 feet for a visual approach. This would mean that you need to be established on final at 500 and 1.5 miles from the end of the runway giving a 3 degree glideslope. There are many ways to establish this via VASI/HAT, FMC, etc. etc. The exception would be an approach as TGU, approaching from the south, or River app DCA etc., etc.,.

 

[pilotmiketx]

Turbo,
The original poster obviously didn't want to be bothered with how it's done in the real world. He wanted the page out of the regs that says:

"When operating at a non-towered aiport under VMC, an aircraft, for the purpose of establishing right of way pursuant to 91.113, is considered to be "Landing" when...blah blah blah...notwithstanding blah blah blah...something about the Administrator...blah blah blah..."

 

[zugzug]

EXACTLY!

 

[TurboS7]

I am sorry I thought this was a pilot board, personally I try to stay as far away as I can from the FAA, NTSB, and all the other 3 and 4 letter words.Guess the poster needs to go to FAA.gov and get the real answers from the real pilots.

 

[pilotmiketx]

such an important topic, too. wonder why it hasn't come up before. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....