Non aviation subject. This is well put!

[FL000]

Timebuilder,

We are arguing with people whose cohorts believe that Gore is President, OJ is innocent, and Clinton was a lynching victim. I think we are wasting our time.

I don't know about you, but I'm outa here. I have to go count some dangling chads, search for the real killers and finish my thesis, "Ken Starr: The Devil vs. St. Clinton".

 

[Timebuilder]

It's okay to help United when the underprivileged mother of three works there as a ticket agent. When she prefers smoking crack to having a job, that's a problem. This is the analogy to the partying college girl. Just like a welfare recipient, she won't work unless she has to, and she becomes an expert at working the system to get what she wants, such as the line of guys who are willing to buy her a meal at a moment's notice.

There are some who are UNABLE, and that's what charities are for. The UNWILLING deserve the bed they have made, and they need to lie in it until it becomes SO uncomfortable that they become motivated to change. When poverty was a dead end street, and carried a teriffic stigma, people fought tooth and nail to avoid being poor. Now we have made it acceptable, and in some cases even fashionable, to be poor.

All of the companies you mentioned (hand picked to be hot-buttons, I might add) had employees that were helped by the tax breaks and other "corporate welfare" that you mentioned. The bad actors, the people who made false and misleading statements should be tied to an anthill.

For some reason, people like to see corporations as some evil man, a la George Bailey's rival banker in It's a Wonderful Life.

Actually, corporations are owned by regular people. Stimulating and augmenting business, within limits, benefits people. A million dollars in so-called "corporate welfare" can help provide usefull jobs for thousands over several years. A million dollars in welfare payments benefits far fewer people for only one year.

 

[KingAirer]

I think this is why we try to keep politics out of the cockpit, can you imagine this in the air? Yikes

 

[Wolf King]

These arguments have gone on since well before any of us were born, and will for some time I am sure. But... I take some solace in the knowledge that flawed liberal viewpoints are becoming exposed and are nearing the end of their lifespan. Just look to the recent mid term election results to see the result of Americans fed up with Democrats off in la la land.

I could go on forever, but will spare myself the effort. I say within 10 years this argument will be moot, as the ineffectiveness of the current EOE/welfare state becomes so exposed (by all races and both sexes) that it will no longer exist. 9/11 was a horrible event, but one which marks the reversal of the pendulum back towards some political sanity in this country.

 

[pipers]

I think this is why we try to keep politics out of the cockpit, can you imagine this in the air? Yikes

Good point. I've never discussed politics in the cockpit and don't intend too. I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with anyone and the truth is that while we may have politics differences, we're all here becuase we love to fly. We some times forget that this is an aviation website and not a political one. Let's get back to aviation.

 

[Typhoon1244]

We've heard it a million times: the Republican has no heart, the Democrat has no brain.

I'm always surprised, however, at how many staunch ALPA members are Republicans. Wierd.

But anyway, back to aviation...

 

[Chunk]

Same story, different characters...

Okay, so you didn't like the "partying college girl" setup of the story...does that make it any less true?

How about this....can you object to an ant and a grasshopper?


THE ANT AND THE GRASSHOPPER

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed.

And the Grasshopper has no food or shelter so he dies out in the cold.


MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks he's a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast. How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing "It's Not Easy Being Green."

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing "We shall overcome".

Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grass-hopper's sake.

Al Gore exclaims in an interview with Peter Jennings that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and calls for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his "fair share".

Finally, the EEOC drafts the "Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act," retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried, before a panel of federal judges that Bill appointed from a list of multi-generation welfare recipients. The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY:

VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

We some times forget that this is an aviation website and not a political one. Let's get back to aviation.

As I said in the title "non aviation subject." The people in this thread knew before clicking on it, that it was a non aviation subject. I enjoy hearing people's point of view, that's why I started this thread. If you don't, you just a click away from leaving. No offence.

I do agree that politics in the cockpit, or even with opposing in-laws is not a good idea. Just causes non needed friction.

My dad sent this to me, I like this analogy. Welfare is out there to help those who lost work, or are trying to better them self's. Not for free-loaders. In my opinion it can be good, when not abused. Give help not handouts. Vote Republican.

Republican= rewards success, personal responsibility
Democrat = redistribute wealth, creates dependency
Edit grammar error..

 

[Wolf King]

Great post, Texan. I also thought the ant story was great, Chunk... I saw it posted before, how true!

 

[Rizer]

It amazes me that Republicans have been railing against welfare forever but it took a Democratic President (Clinton) to actually reform the welfare system. Anyone remember workfare, not welfare. Ah...a selective memory is a wonderful thing.

 

[bulldog]

type ratings

Just curious. Any type ratings acquired on uncle sam's money after 9/11.


Bulldog

 

[waka]

Republican= rewards sucess, personal responsability

Democrat= redestribute wealth, creates dependancy

To claim that republican philosophy has an exclusive claim to personal responsibility and that creating dependency is stricly associated with democrats is utterly preposterous and short-sighted.

.....looks like the the trendy one-liner tactics are still rampant. <sigh>

 

[mar]

I can't stop myself

This thread is like a bad car accident: I can't help but stop and look out of morbid curiosity.

Hey Tex--you enjoy different viewpoints. How about this one: Every true liberal/leftist that I know *doesn't* vote Democrat.

And they certainly don't vote Republican. You know why?

Because every true liberal/leftist that I know considers the Republi-Crats to be the political party of the Corporation.

Do you really think the Kennedys, the Gores or the Clintons are *so* liberal? Aren't they all sold out to special interest just like all of the Republicans?

What's so laughable to the true Left in this nation is how the Right will look *only so far* to find their convenient little nemesis.

The true Left hold Clinton in such disdain and disgust that it would probably make you giggle like a little girl.

Clinton did more for the Republican party during his two terms than Lamar Alexandar, John Cain, Bob Dole and George Bush combined.

Even Buchanan couldn't stomach the scene any longer and jumped ship.

All of this simply illustrates how myopic the entire conversation between Repubs and Dems has become. They both think they're diametrically oppossed, when in truth, they both just spew the same nonsense, the same rhetoric, every year.

Your typical conservative will probably consider himself quite open-minded after sitting down and having a beer with a Democrat--all in order to see the "other side." In truth, there's another element in society that looks at everything else from another perspective. You don't read/hear about these people in the Wall Street Journal, LA Times, Time Mag, Newsweek, CBS, NBC or whatever mouthpiece for the corporation you read/listen to.

These people are systematically excluded from the national conversation. Think Ralph Nader and the debates during the last election.

So my point, after all, is this: You may think you can spot one of them-thar bleedin' heart Democrats a mile away, but the truth is you have no idea what a real liberal/leftist stands for because it's never been spoon fed to you my the major media--or even Rush for that matter.

Peace.

 

[AV8OR]

Now there's some selective memory! When the welfare reform bill was signed into law, congress was controled by who?...That's right, the Newt Gingrich, waskily ole republicans, who wrote bill. And when your fearless leader Slick, signed it into law when did he do it? That's right, the friggin dead of night on a Fri, so he wouldn't get tarred and feathered by Tom Daschle and Dick Gephardt before the sting wore off. Ya might want to surf some microfiche at the library before ya claim that one for the Dems.

Here's one:

Boy's selling puppies outside the white house with the a sign that says "Democrat puppies for sale". Bill and Al buy a couple for the family and a couple of weeks later see the same boy selling what's left of the pups with a sign that says "Republican puppies for sale". They ask the boy if these aren't the same puppies he was selling two weeks ago, and if so, why did his sign now say they were Republican puppies? The boy responds, "Simple, last week they opened their eyes!"

 

[Timebuilder]

It amazes me that Republicans have been railing against welfare forever but it took a Democratic President (Clinton) to actually reform the welfare system. Anyone remember workfare, not welfare. Ah...a selective memory is a wonderful thing.

Actually, Mr Rizer, it was a republican congress that reformed the welfare system. What part did Mr. Clinton have? He looked at some polls, determined that this idea had popular support, and went along with it to advance his legacy.

See the difference?

To claim that republican philosophy has an exclusive claim to personal responsibility and that creating dependency is stricly associated with democrats is utterly preposterous and short-sighted.

No, sir, that is history.

I don't know if "Tex" knows any members of the Left, but I certainly do. Many are dems, some are green party, some are socialist workers party. Many more vote for Democrat candidates.

Finally, why do any of you know republican ALPA members? Pilot in command authority is the essence of personal responsibility.

We now return to our discussion of RJ's, stinger missiles, and failing carriers.