No TR's

[ultrarunner]

Noticed lately on several RJ flghts, both the C and the E types, no TR's on landing, and obviously massive braking....

Are these TR's MEL'd and regularly pinned, or is this an SOP thing? I'm sure BFG likes it!

 

[jws717]

Noticed lately on several RJ flghts, both the C and the E types, no TR's on landing, and obviously massive braking....

Are these TR's MEL'd and regularly pinned, or is this an SOP thing? I'm sure BFG likes it!

Idle reverse, saves engine ware. SOP for long runways and nice weather at a few regionals.

 

[ultrarunner]

Gotcha....

 

[BoilerUP]

Air Wisconsin is BIG on minimal reverse...saying brakes are cheaper than engines.

The on-pylon statistics for worldwide CF34 airline operators would tend to validate such a thought process...but yeah, I'd love to be their Goodrich salesman!

 

[Mike man]

Calculations to assess the actual benefits of not using reverse
thrust on landing run were done. The worst case, in which full
reverse was used during 15 seconds, causing a 117°C ITT
difference between using and not using reverse, resulted in a
18% life degradation. Consequently, not using reverse can
save up to 18% of engine life.

Right from Embraer, 135/145 Family.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

No need for TRers on long runways the brakes work just fine. Eagle uses idle for anything under 7000 feet and even then I find myself not needing them. I think it is cheaper to do maintenance on the brakes then the buckets.

 

[ultrarunner]

Right from Embraer, 135/145 Family.

[/QUOTE]Calculations to assess the actual benefits of not using reverse
thrust on landing run were done. The worst case, in which full
reverse was used during 15 seconds, causing a 117°C ITT
difference between using and not using reverse, resulted in a
18% life degradation. Consequently, not using reverse can
save up to 18% of engine life.[/QUOTE]

So on strictly a cost-saving basis, you could argue to take the things right off the plane....

...then you can calculate the cost savings of not maintaining the TR's.

...plus the fuel savings related to not carrying around the weight of the TR's and all their components...

That, I would think would really add up!

 

[Flyer1015]

Since when do I care about mx costs of TRs. Until I get to a quality airline that actually pretends to at least care about their employees, I will not care about mx costs. use TRs to my hearts content. Even on a long runway. Just don't break limitations, idle reverse by 60 knots for us.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Since when do I care about mx costs of TRs. Until I get to a quality airline that actually pretends to at least care about their employees, I will not care about mx costs. use TRs to my hearts content. Even on a long runway. Just don't break limitations, idle reverse by 60 knots for us.

Boy that's a great attitude. Who do you work for Mesa?

 

[SpauldingSmails]

We are also told to use min reverse whenever prudent. Our Company also cites carbon brakes as a factor as they are more efficient when hot and supposedly wear at slower rate when at operating temperature compared to cold.

With that said, I still use the reversers quite a bit in the winter months.

 

[Data]

Boy that's a great attitude. Who do you work for Mesa?

If I worked at Pinnacle, I'd have that attitude too.

 

[snap145]

at Pinchanickle...we use full bore reversers on every landing...crack your jokes, but if you arent at full reverse and off of 30R in Minny in no time...your gonna have a DC-9 up your APU....

 

[Brasilia Pup]

I just like the noise the TR's make.

 

[nerjdriver]

at Pinchanickle...we use full bore reversers on every landing...crack your jokes, but if you arent at full reverse and off of 30R in Minny in no time...your gonna have a DC-9 up your APU....

Wow that sounds really intense. I bet nobody at the bar has ever heard that story.

 

[flyf15]

at Pinchanickle...we use full bore reversers on every landing...crack your jokes, but if you arent at full reverse and off of 30R in Minny in no time...your gonna have a DC-9 up your APU....

In a CRJ-200? I assume that DC-9 is landing on 22?

 

[aa73]

An Eagle pilot once told me they don't use TRs on the EMB because of some kind of elevator structural limitation.

 

[great cornholio]

So on strictly a cost-saving basis, you could argue to take the things right off the plane....

...then you can calculate the cost savings of not maintaining the TR's.

...plus the fuel savings related to not carrying around the weight of the TR's and all their components...

That, I would think would really add up!

Most of our 145s don't have the TRs. Its annoying. Planes are super nose heavy so pretty much every leg we have to move pax from the front to the back...they really love doing that. They added a few hundred lbs of ballast to the cargo bin to help offset this, but it doesn't do too much help really. Plus its not a very good feeling when you start sliding and have no other way to try to stop. You're just along for the ride and have to hope that you get some traction before you run off the end. I've come within 500 ft of going off the end due to hydroplanning in Canada...its AMAZING how much those runway grooves help with traction.

 

[great cornholio]

An Eagle pilot once told me they don't use TRs on the EMB because of some kind of elevator structural limitation.

I've never heard of that. Only elevator limit I've heard of is to start trimming before reaching 160kts to keep the horiz stab trim motors from "stalling" and not being able to trim the plane.

Both my company and EMB stress idle reverse due to
1. Brake wear is better the hotter the brakes are.
2. Fuel savings.

 

[snap145]

Wow that sounds really intense. I bet nobody at the bar has ever heard that story.

no i dont sit at the bar and tell that story...i have a life...thanks though...i was simply stating that they pack us in like sardines in MSP...and if you dont fly in there on a regular basis....which u probably dont if you fly an E145...u wouldnt have the first idea what you are talking about...which brings me back to my original point...nice verbal diahrea though junior....go back to vero beach

 

[SBD]

Save the company money? Ha, ha, ha. You guys are real funny. TR to the fullest. I swear some of you guys think you own these airplanes.