No TCAS for the Eclipse!!?

[Golden Falcon]

According to the Flight Global story, EASA has a laundry list of deficiencies it wants addressed on the Eclipse 500, even though the FAA is allowing the aircraft to fly in commercial service in the U.S. Among the issues are the lack of certification for flight into known icing. The Avio NG integrated flight management system is still not complete; there are issues with the autopilot and autothrottles, according to Flight Global; and EASA is worried about the ability of the aircraft to descend from altitude quickly enough after a sudden decompression. They're also considering mandating a traffic alert and collision avoidance system, something Raburn has said is not practical for the aircraft.

back to the dark ages???

 

[Galaxy]

By dark ages do you mean flying from VOR to VOR? This is what they do today.

 

[Just Peachy]

eclipse

auto throttles.....AUTO THROTTLES !

IN A ECLIPSE???:laugh:

 

[Ultra Grump]

Auto throttles are practical, but TCAS is not. Right.

 

[AeroDMB]

It will have traffic...

The EA500 Avio NG system will have these options below, some aircraft are currently being manufactured and delivered with these installed already:

3rd AHRS
Skywatch HP
TAWS
DME
ADF
WX Radar
Diversity XPDR

The CEO is probably referring to an airliner type TCAS system, which is significantly more expensive.

http://www.as.l-3com.com/products/skywatch_hp.aspx

 

[NewmanF16]

Didn't they just give up on getting an FMS functionality into AVIO NG and decide to install two Garmin 400s and call that their nav suite?

 

[Ill Mitch]

Didn't they just give up on getting an FMS functionality into AVIO NG and decide to install two Garmin 400s and call that their nav suite?

That is what I am being told by the powers that be.

 

[Golden Falcon]

Not too sure what TCAS system is required for RVSM..or if the "non-airline" style systems meet the requirements.

 

[AeroDMB]

Not too sure what TCAS system is required for RVSM..or if the "non-airline" style systems meet the requirements.

They're currently flying in RVSM airspace without traffic, don't think TCAS is a requirement.

 

[labbats]

TCAS isn't needed to fly RVSM.

 

[Metro752]

No TCAS is required for RVSM, but it sure is neat to watch the other airplanes getting in line coming into a busy airport!

 

[Chewbacca]

TCAS should be requried for anything that is in the air...period.

 

[Golden Falcon]

I agree with chew on that one, inexcuseable..

 

[j41driver]

AeroDMB's post says it has SkyWatch HP...here are the features of that system.

Key SkyWatch® HP Features:​

• Active Surveillance System
• Features 35-mile surveillance range and display range, depending on display option
• Can be certified as a TAS or TCAS I, depending on display and antenna configuration
• Tracks up to 35 intruder aircraft simultaneously
• Generates both aural & visual traffic advisories
• Compatible with most EFIS displays and latest MFDs.
• +/- 10,000 ft. relative altitude tracking range
• "Look Up/Look Down" altitude display modes to simplify intruder identification
• System software updates using a compact flashcard
• Can toggle between lightning information and traffic information when connected to a Stormscope® WX-1000 processor
• Uses TCAS-like symbology

Seems good to me...can be installed as TCAS I and costs $28.5K vs. $62K - $230K for other TCAS hardware. Doesn't seem to be a functional issue really and a pretty good idea for an aircraft in the lower price ranges.

I got those $$ figures here

BTW - Does the G1000 in the Citation Mustang have a traditional TCAS? Or one more like this?

 

[AeroDMB]

The Mustang offers the same Skywatch system as an option.