No poll.

[Timebuilder]

I'm asking for your response, fellow board supporters, those of you who donated money to keep this board alive. I myself donated about two weeks worth of food money. I see a lot of people shooting their mouths off who aren't on any donor list. It's a free board, but it seems some of the most obnoxious don't contribute.

So here's my question: is this strictly an aviation board, where all discussion is about flying, or is this a board where we talk about all of the things that pilots normally talk about? For over two years, and on the old board, too, I've seen any number of things discussed here in the "general" forum: religion, politics, unions, tort reform, college degrees and distance learning, and an entire mix of topics. I never saw a thread closed or deleted for the reason of being "non aviation-related."

So, what do you think? No Barbeque, no chemtrails, no links to non-aviation websites, no college discussion, no football, no Rush, no Dean, no Al Franken, no Jesus, no dissent?

What say you, those who have donated?

 

[Capt. Tex]

I don't care if I've donated or not. (It is a free board, so why do you want responses only from people who donated?) I don't want to read your attempts to convert me to christianity. Take it elsewhere.

 

[Dieterly]

TB,
Are you for real? Here is a suggestion, get a friggin job, instead of getting money from the goverment!!!

 

[Timebuilder]

Because I want a response from members who have put their money where their mouth is.

Since it is a free board, and a free country, your recourse is to take yourself elsewhere, is it not?

 

[Dash8]

catagories

I think that in the 'general' section it should be anything goes (within reason of course) that as aviation proffesionals or enthusiasts, we also have other things to talk about besides stricktly flying/aircraft stuff.

There are other topic sections for various types of discussions.

bbq, toon, or chemtrails could be discussed in the 'general' header

since there's FAR, furlough, regional, major, fractional, etc sections discussions of those types can go in their respective catagories, but leave general available for off aviation subject matters

that's what i think
there's far too many interesting threads in the general header to forsake them all.

 

[Timebuilder]

I see from Dieterly's 10,000 hours that some people never do learn.

 

[Dieterly]

Definition by Mark...

General aviation related discussion that doesn't fall into a sub-category below

 

[Timebuilder]

So, you'll be removing all your anti-Bush posts, or will they stay?

 

[Capt. Tex]

I see from Dieterly's 10,000 hours that some people never do learn.

You want me to tally YOUR total hours??

Oh, and Bush is a liar. The proof is on the whistleblowers paperwork.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

seriously, this board isn't pay-per-view, so quit tooting your good christian, bad atheist horn and get a normal paying job

if it does indeed go to a pay-per-view format, a lot of us will just migrate to another forum, which may be totally AD sponsored

it's very liberal of you to post two or three times a week about communal support for the board and how unfair it is that you're unemployed

thinking of joining the dark side, ya commie?

 

[bobbysamd]

Discussions

I think that in the 'general' section it should be anything goes (within reason of course) that as aviation proffesionals or enthusiasts, we also have other things to talk about besides stricktly flying/aircraft stuff . . . . there's far too many interesting threads in the general header to forsake them all.

I have put my money where my mouth/keyboard is.

Anything within reason. Pilots are people, too. They talk about other things besides flying. Compare it to a party, lunch, crewroom, lounge, outside public area of your school, whatever. I went to plenty of parties with pilots and heard nary a word about flying. There's a ton of things I've learned from this board that are not flying-related since I joined 2 1/2 years ago. Some of the best discussions I've seen include some of the sports discussions, restaurant discussions and the JFK assasination thread. Just because there is a non-flying thread doesn't mean you have to read it and respond.

It's nice to have choices.

 

[Timebuilder]

You want me to tally YOUR total hours??

My hours are right there. No bones about it, you have survided a long time in aviation.

A shame none of that effort was exerted on developing a love of God, or a personality.

 

[NCFlyer]

Timebuilder,

I applaud the efforts by you, Super80 and others to not only defend Biblical Christianity but to show others the error of their beliefs.

If others want these discussions removed from this board because they aren't aviation related then I suggest that all other non aviation threads be removed as well.

Including:

women, alcohol, sports, television programs, politics, cars, just to name a few.

Any one offended can vote with their mouse and not click on the thread.

Your brother in Christ,
NCFlyer

 

[VNugget]

I think that the admin should either disallow non-aviation-related posts or make a new forum section specifically for them. IMHO, they just create too much clutter in the Aviation section.

(Yes, I know I've participated in them, so sue me.)

 

[Capt. Tex]

That's what I can't stand about Christianity. You think you're always right and everybody else in the world is wrong. This is one of the many reasons why Arabs hate us.

 

[Flying Illini]

I donated money. Does that give me more say than the next guy? No. Here is my opinion: This is a free board. Anybody can post. I donated because I have used this board not only as entertainment but also as a resource. It's just something that I felt I should do. As for topics...anything goes under general. If you don't want to be "converted", don't read the thread. If you don't like polls, don't vote on them, etc. Part of what makes this board so much fun is that it isn't all aviation related...you never know what you will see on here next. I think that it's great that there are so many subsections to place posts in because it's a great way to weed out the "general" discussion from the "corporate, regional, etc" discussions.

 

[Timebuilder]

it's very liberal of you to post two or three times a week about communal support for the board and how unfair it is that you're unemployed

Now Vlad, when did I EVER say that it was unfair that I was unemployed?

I think I said it was a blessing, which is allowing me to go back to a job that has a much greater potential for satisfaction, and can let me fly when I want to.

I have to agree, Bobby, this board is of interest because of the varying opinions, the bellicose ramblings of people hurling insults and speaking out of political or spiritual ignorance, the ones who want to call some one a "geek" without having a clue, all of that is what makes this place interesting.

Take all that away, and you have another RJDC discussion.

 

[Dieterly]

TB, let me guess, no wife/girlfriend, no kids, just you and the computer?

 

[Capt. Tex]

I'd bet on it. Hey, I have an idea! Let's have a POLL!!

 

[eddie]

Keep it all! If this board had no variety it would be boring, and in no time people would stop visiting. If a thread doesn't interest you then don't read it and for goodness sake don't post to it.

ps: it is possible to donate and remain anonymous.

 

[Timebuilder]

I'm not here because of my family, or lack thereof.

I'm here because people are exchanging information, and I now have a little more time than I did when I was flying. Right now, with my home studio, 90% of what I need to do is right here. Sometimes I have to go to NYC or Philly for an on-camera audition, or just if the client has hired a casting house for the job. There is a lot of variety, and its very subjective.

Lately, I have spent adddtional time here for two reasons: one, it is easy to multitask here, while posting. Two, and this will really leak off Capt Tex, but I have found that pilots, as a group, are a pretty self-trusting bunch of people. They need to be exposed to the gospel. There's a lot of denial, and as I see tonight, a lot of anger. Some pilots shouldn't be flying if they feel so bent out of shape, but I'm not the FAA. Maybe it's because flying is such a technical profession, I don't know, but some can only see as far as their crew schedule.

At any rate, I see this as a way to actively help people who are seeking some truth about God. Pilots have kind of an adversarial relationship to God. Many say they don't believe, but when a friend is killed in a crash, do they ask thenselves why? Do the go to the funeral? Suddenly God, who didn't exist the day before, suddenly becomes relevant.

A lot of people have had misconceptions that need to be addressed. Things like the constitutional separation of church and state, which is also relevant to pilots who want to be a part of an informed electorate. So, I help them out when I can, in a small way.

You see, you only see the me here on the site.

You needn't concern yourself with me, nor I with you, outside of this forum.

 

[dtzl]

__________________________________________________
Timebuilder Wrote:

I have found that pilots, as a group, are a pretty self-trusting bunch of people. They need to be exposed to the gospel. There's a lot of denial, and as I see tonight, a lot of anger. Some pilots shouldn't be flying if they feel so bent out of shape, but I'm not the FAA. Maybe it's because flying is such a technical profession, I don't know, but some can only see as far as their crew schedule.
__________________________________________________


Please GOD, don't let him ever get hired at my airline!

 

[Dieterly]

There's a lot of denial,

Sir, you are a true nut case

 

[Timebuilder]

Sir, you are a true nut case

Thank you counselor.

I rest my case.

 

[Dash8]

pilots, as a group, are a pretty self-trusting bunch of people. They need to be exposed to the gospel.

Many say they don't believe, but when a friend is killed in a crash, do they ask thenselves why? Do the go to the funeral? Suddenly God, who didn't exist the day before, suddenly becomes relevant.

TB, i've been exposed to the gospel, and I don't need it, plain and simple. so please don't speak for what other people may or may not need.

I thankfully haven't had anyone die in a crash yet. But i have attended funerals and it has absolutely nothing to do with god, it has to do with paying my respects for someone that is no longer with us.

that being said, i do enjoy your contributions to this board (for the most part ) and think it's good that you were able to donate to help maintain that which many people use, I myself really can't afford it because of financial difficulties/tightness right now, but would happily through some change in the till if/when i can.

 

[Timebuilder]

so please don't speak for what other people may or may not need.

Whle I'm glad that you were "exposed", others can't know the need if they haven't been afforded the same opportunity. According to the Bible, everyone needs to make a choice. In order to do that, you have to know what choice there is to make.

 

[Flying Illini]

At the risk of being attacked myself, I am going to say what I see:
Timebuilder is standing up for his beliefs, in no way does he seem to be forcing them upon anyone (I've read some of his posts and I didn't feel like I was being forced to "convert."). Most of the rest of you who have posted seem to just be attacking an individual for his beliefs. It's fine to not see eye to eye on an issue, however, both sides need to grow up! TB is standing up for his beliefs, others are attacking his beliefs. It takes guts to stand up for what you believe in (no matter what it is) while at the same time, it is VERY easy to attack others and their beliefs.
Let it go! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion (once you've stated it, stop restating it over and over again in multiple posts)! By arguing it till this post is 10 pages long is not going to make either side give in!

 

[enigma]

Re: catagories

I think that in the 'general' section it should be anything goes (within reason of course) that as aviation proffesionals or enthusiasts, we also have other things to talk about besides stricktly flying/aircraft stuff.

There are other topic sections for various types of discussions.

bbq, toon, or chemtrails could be discussed in the 'general' header

since there's FAR, furlough, regional, major, fractional, etc sections discussions of those types can go in their respective catagories, but leave general available for off aviation subject matters

that's what i think
there's far too many interesting threads in the general header to forsake them all.

What he said.

Plus this. Because we are often paired with persons because of chance (bid system), pilots need to avoid controversy in the workplace; this forum gives us a place to get into discussions that do not belong in the cockpit and therefore serves a purpose. The forum is sort of a "no consequence" crewroom. Here, one can espouse a viewpoint that would create too much unease in the workplace. As long as the forum avoids open pornography and obvious indecency, I say let it happen.

regards,
enigma

 

[Timebuilder]

By arguing it till this post is 10 pages long is not going to make either side give in!

I agree.

The reason the pages go on so long is that when someone joins in and asks a question, it deserves a good answer.

Sometimes, a number of people join in throughout the life of a thread. I can't, nor would I want to, "force" anyone to believe anything. That's for someone besides myself.

And, yes, I have enjoyed my time here. I hope I was able to help enlighten.

 

[mar]

It's the topic drift that gets you.

You know, as always, it's just a matter of a few bad apples.

It's like the Bush Bashin' thread--that was great fun until it briefly drifted into another religious debate.

And don't get me wrong! I don't mind the debate. I don't even mind it's religious. I just get pretty tired of the eventual, no, *inevitable*, drift into religion.

If Super80 and Timebuilder can actually count the square footage on the head of that pin then I say, "More power to 'em."

I can easily scroll through tons of pedantic detail and get the main gist.

But yeah, leave the forum alone and let's all practice a little more attention to the actual topic without the RABID need to have the last word.

END OF DISCUSSION!

Just kidding. I'm outta town til the weekend so y'all can have the last bloody word.

Peace.