No more CHQ and GJs Jumpseaters

[Axel]

How could such an obvious bait such as that by guppy be taken seriously by any intelligen......

Oh, that explains it.

 

[inthewind]

what a loser

While many of you may not like our E170/190 rates, the 170 is a cool jet to fly and I'm sure the 190 will be just as cool or cooler to fly. While I'd love to make more money, the fact is that I'm content for the time being with our current rates as it's the most money I've ever made in my entire life.

Shoottaco offered me a class on that jet in March, there was no way I would fly that jet for that rate. I'd love to fly it its a cool machine but if I have to apply for food stamps. Instead I took a 135 job and am already a captain. While the pay still sucks its even more than I was making at Independence before the hammer fell.
Anyway I refused to be part of the race to the bottom. If more of you guys would say NO! then the management clowns in the puzzlepalace would have to change the compensation scales.

 

[FlamingFUPA]

If more of you guys would say NO! then the management clowns in the puzzlepalace would have to change the compensation scales.

So you are saying that once the more qualified pilots all said no, that they wouldn't find somebody else to do it? just playing devil's advocate, but your logic doesn't jive in today's conditions

 

[BenderGonzales]

Bizicmo said, "Then in a few years it will flip flop."

I respectfully disagree. Do you really think so? Management has mastered the whipsaw. People are willing every day to fly for less and less. (SJS kills)

What makes you think that in a few years you will have more bargaining power? Dont you think someone will start an airline and offer to fly the E190 for less than Chautauqua does?

This is a never-ending cycle. Pilot compensation is not being "realigned" -- airline management finally developed a tool to drive pilot payrates ever lower.

The only question is, how low can they go?

My guess? A return to PFT and $15000/yr for F/Os. Captains topping out at around $60000.

City bus drivers will make vastly more than professional airline pilots.... and they can even wear backpacks!

 

[8HourPilot]

BoilerUp, please quit making Purdue look bad.

You should stop being a tool and post something worth while.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Time for a new J/S denial list!!!!!


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[hbrow15]

I think the 170/190 will be a regional/LCC airplane if for no other reason than they already are. As soon as the first one went to a regional that pretty much assured the rest would follow, because if any regional or LCC is paying $70 an hour no Major is going to pay $120 an hour that would completely price them out of that segment of the market. You can also argue that the 170/190 fate had been sealed as soon as the CRJ 700 went to a regional, we look at how many seats our airplane has to determine what a fair rate is not if the airplane looks like a "real" airliner. Basically the difference in the the CRJ 700/900 and the EMB-170/190 is the same as the Beech 1900C vs 1900D provides a little more passenger comfort but basically carrys the same amount of passengers. It seems like the future for mainline flying is international, that is where mainline can actually charge a decent amount for a ticket. There is no LCC competition and passengers flying international dont expect a cheap ticket. I dont see 70 or 90 seaters on mainline any more than I would expect them to start flying 50 seaters, a legacy cant compete with an LCC using the same airplane. Good luck to us all.

 

[Jetjockey]

E170Guppykiller=CareerExpectationKiller.

I doubt this poster is for real, but the sad fact is this "walmart" attitude exists. When people like this actualy grow-up, and move out of thier parent's basements, they realize playing airline pilot for sub-par wages isn't fun anymore.

 

[BoilerUP]

You are one pipey SOB!!! One day when mommy stops paying your bills, I can only hope you will get a clue.

Do you even have any idea what the Eagle guys are going though, or the Chicago Exps guys have gone through?

You can take your CFI and <1500hrs and shove it up your arss!!!

Mommy isn't paying my bills, but once again, thanks for playing. I make more than most 3 year FOs at most regionals, which is why I have declined a class date at TSA and others in the recent past. I know what the C8 and Eagle peeps have gone through, between having their company shut down and forever long upgrades due to flushbacks and corrupt management. THAT DOES NOT MAKE SCREWING YOUR FELLOW PILOTS EXCUSABLE!

For the record....Those CHQ 170-190 rates are a total BS. CHQ is doing more to hurt the industry than GJ ever did!

The CHQ rates are nothing to be proud of, but they are there until at least October 2007. If telling yourself CHQ is hurting the industry more than Blowjets helps you sleep at night, by all means keep it up.

BoilerUp, please quit making Purdue look bad.

Explain to me how anything I've said makes Purdue look bad. If you are affiliated with the university and have a problem, PM me and we'll talk, otherwise pound sand. I'm glad I can help educate my fellow young pilots about the threat companies like Blowjets creates to their future careers, as well as the ethical delimma of working for them. If that "makes Purdue look bad", so be it.

 

[DrewBlows]

So you are saying that once the more qualified pilots all said no, that they wouldn't find somebody else to do it? just playing devil's advocate, but your logic doesn't jive in today's conditions

If everyone said no, there would be no one to fly the airplanes. Management would have to pay a reasonable wage. We only have power in numbers, and when we stick together we have all the power. A single pilot has no power. That's collective bargaining 101. It works.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Why don't you quit your union and take a paycut you freaking fool, you think GwB and his lackeys are pro labor? Wake up and smell the dog poo on your shoe, the Dems may not be perfect but its the Republican party that has done all the slash and burn on your profession. Classic example of the stupidity of the "Party policy" follower mentality. You are a looser who can't even think for yourself, wadda tool.
PBR

Maybe you should learn to spell "loser" before you call someone one!

 

[FlamingFUPA]

If everyone said no, there would be no one to fly the airplanes. Management would have to pay a reasonable wage. We only have power in numbers, and when we stick together we have all the power. A single pilot has no power. That's collective bargaining 101. It works.

yeah good luck, re-read what i wrote. in today's conditions, it'll never happen. even if pilots grew the stones it wouldn't work.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

The payscale still leaves much to be desired.

 

[c-wood75]

While many of you may not like our E170/190 rates, the 170 is a cool jet to fly and I'm sure the 190 will be just as cool or cooler to fly. While I'd love to make more money, the fact is that I'm content for the time being with our current rates as it's the most money I've ever made in my entire life.

this is the worst statement regarding aviation i have ever heard or read in my entire life. If this guy is a CHQ pilot im embarassed and ashamed to be working along with this guy. can someone please make him stop embarrasing us in front of everyone else. You are probably the biggest tool i have ever seen on here and im begging you to go stop.

 

[inthewind]

If everyone said no, there would be no one to fly the airplanes. Management would have to pay a reasonable wage. We only have power in numbers, and when we stick together we have all the power. A single pilot has no power. That's collective bargaining 101. It works.

I agree with you Drew. Thanks for backing me up. This whole whipsaw B/S is only going to stop when we raise the BS flag and refuse to work for these crappy pay rates. If ALPA would get off its collective ass and form a National Seniority list we wouldn't have to put up with this crap. Of course we all know that ALPA(esp. Mr Woerth) is in managements pockect so this will never happen. For now it's up to all of individually to grow the stones to: JUST SAY NO!

 

[freemind270]

hey guys look i was just trying to warn the people here about flying the 90 seat jets for peanuts

and I dont know if people could read the " if " what i was trying to tell you was to stay strong so you can get the best rates so you can take care of your families the right way and not cave in and and agree for the "Peanuts for Big Jets" carrot that the management will dangle in front of you.



take care now

 

[bvt1151]

Hmm... is CHQ already offering to fly 190's for sub-50-seat pay?

3 year Comair crew (even with the pay freeze) will fly a 50-seater for
$64 + $38 for a total of $102.

3 year CHQ crew will fly a 90-seater for $68 + $33 = $101


5-year CMR CRJ crew: $68 + $41 = $109
5-year CHQ 190 crew: $73 + $34 = $107


10-year CMR CRJ crew: $79 + $45 = $124
10-year CHQ 190 crew: $85 + $34 = $119


15-year CMR CRJ crew: $92 + $45 = $137
15-year CHQ 190 crew: $98 + $34 = $132



CHQ has already agreed to fly the 190's for below 50-seat wages!

 

[Tarzan]

Uh oh. Sounds like the secret is out.

 

[blackbox]

The only question is, how low can they go?

My guess? A return to PFT and $15000/yr for F/Os. Captains topping out at around $60000.

i have to disagree. More companies are paying for training and paying for hotel now. Even Pinnacle who used to not pay or house house you 3 months ago, not puts you up and get paid a couple hundred a week. I have also heard skywest might start paying in training because they cant get enough quaility applicants.

200 a week or fifty bucks a day at some airlines isnt great anyway you look at it, but its an improvement from what it was 10 years ago. you can expect things to change for the better overnite.

 

[PCL_128]

Time for a new J/S denial list!!!!!


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Sorry, 100LL, but you're still not smart enough to figure this out. The original poster is way off in comparing CHQ to HoJets. CHQ is a union airline that is not undermining any pilot group's CBA. HoJets is a non-union alter-ego airline that was created for the precise purpose of busting TSA ALPA and circumventing the TSA scope clause that is quite clear in their CBA.

The CHQ payrates and contract cetainly leave much to be desired (all regional CBAs do), but the pilot group can cetainly not be blamed for that. As CHQ pilots have explained, their rates were negotiated under duress, much like the Mesa contract thanks to the Freedumb pilots. I seriously doubt that the 190 rates at CHQ would look like they do now if Republic was not a threat to their job security at the time.

In summary, CHQ pilots should be welcome on anyone's jumpseat. On the other hand, if anyone would like a copy of the HoJets list, don't hesitate to send me a PM.