No more certificates for non citizens

[Wiggums]

I just heard this morning from the FDSO that starting immediately non US citizens will not be able to receive any pilot certificates. Anyone here any details about this or know what is going on?

 

[frenchy]

I think they will receive certificates only if they enter the country legaly, and would have a "not authorized for work in the US" on it
until they show proof of legal residence.

 

[Dep676]

Why should a non-citizen get a certificate anyway? Let them become a citizen first then we will see about giving them one.

 

[Dan CFI/CFII]

Because I can get a JAA liscense if I'd like...

It can't be a one way street bro.

Of course, it makes sense that they'd have to enter the country legally, and it would probably make sense to require some sort of a background check...

Dan

 

[sparticusflt]

You may be able to get a JAA or CAA certs. However, getting a job in Europe is near to impossible for American Pilots. Its not a 2 way situation by any means.

 

[Dieterly]

But in Asia it's very easy for a American to get a job, so what are you saying?

 

[Austpilot]

Thats interesting Dieterley, hope you havent misconstrued anything I said, but yes it would be easier for an American to get a job in Asia than in Europe, especially if you have "heavy" time, as this is the area where the expansion will be in the next five years or so.

 

[Britpilot]

You may be able to get a JAA or CAA certs. However, getting a job in Europe is near to impossible for American Pilots. Its not a 2 way situation by any means.

Getting a job in Europe is tough for a European pilot as well. Very limited vacancies and not much hiring with pilots keeping whatever flying job they have. It is not possible to work as a pilot here in the USA unless you have either a "green card" or are a citizen.

 

[chawbein]

We don't want them dern ferners here noways!!

Seriously though, they should learn to fly in their own countries.

 

[desert pilot]

Quite good news for 31,000 non citizens serving in USA military,and airport security should be clean by now...

 

[chawbein]

OK, really seriously, if you have a green card, cool, get some. Otherwise, too bad so sad.

 

[Wiggums]

What about europeans that want to do some flight training over here since it is so expensive in their home countries? Should we just turn their money away? I think there are quite a few flight schools and instructors in Florida that depend on foriegn money.

You can convert from JAA-FAA pretty easily. The conversion from FAA-JAA isn't so bad anymore either with the recent rule changes. The main problem is getting authurization to work. It's difficult for someone on either side of the Atlantic to get a work permit for the otherside, especially after 9/11.

 

[sparticusflt]

Granted in pre 9/11 it was near to impossible to GET work in Europe. I hope to all my South American friends you didn't take offense to this. It is easy for Americans to head south so this is only really directed towards Europe and Asia. Personally I don't really care about the whole foreign pilot issue. I don't care if i can get a job in Europe or Asia. What I do care about is that it is far easier for a foreign pilot to come to the USA and get a job then it is for an American to go out. Make it equal then its not a problem. A green card doesn't make you a citizen either, and it is nice to have all the benifits without any of the headaches, such as taxes.

Ask me my opinion about foreign pilots working in the states and American pilots on the streets unemployeed.

 

[willbav8r]

Good topic here.

I was born in England.

I have a Green Card.

I live and work in the USA. Have done for many years.

So I should be fine to get my CFI etc right? But, what if I didn't have the right to live here, and was merely getting flight time and licenses?

The argument now becomes: could I be a dodgy terrorist?? Of course, that is how the bas@#$%s got away with it, and has to be considered as a future threat.

However, flight schools in this country derive a great deal of their business from overseas "students".

I'm all for checking an individual before letting them loose to do anything, anywhere, near my friends and family: but why not go after the obvious suspects?

I almost hate myself for typing this, but there has to be less risk of Paddy O' Riley from Dublin than A. Mohammed from Baghdad??

Not wanting to get off topic, but with FBO's already hurting, and the likelihood of a fuel increase, insurance costs rising, etc etc - this type of blanket security can do an awful lot of harm?

Not trying to make a statement, just my 0.02 into the ring.

 

[Flywrite]

[ Make it equal then its not a problem. A green card doesn't make you a citizen either, and it is nice to have all the benifits without any of the headaches, such as taxes.



If you are under the impression that Green Card holders in the US dont pay taxes, you are very mistaken. We pay the exact same taxes as everyone else. On top of that we are required to register with selective service, just like citizens.

I came to this country from England when I was 10 years old because my father's employer couldnt find a comparable engineer in the US. I didn't just get here hoping to take an american pilot's job.
I worked my a$$ off pumping gas and washing planes to pay for my ratings, than paid my dues like everyone else. There are people walking around alive and well today because I did my job well on those few occasions when it hit the fan, and I'm getting a little tired of the xenophobic BS flowing these days about how I shouldnt be allowed to work here as a pilot.
It's called a free market. I am legally allowed to live here for as long as I want, I pay taxes to support the nation's aviation infrastructure, and when I turned 18 I signed up to be drafted to fight for this country, so you will have to fogive me for thinking that I have earned the right to make a living as a pilot here.
I hate to tell you, but curling up into a ball and excluding everyone who is not a US citizen is not the answer to the world's problems.

Flame away