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What's irritating is your absolute refusal to admit that you and the profession would be better off if you were working with us instead of apart from us.
Again with the, "you need to be ALPA, and no other airline union is good enough." For the 900th time. And the rest of you guys keep on claiming that it's Southwest pilots that are arrogant and egocentric about our representation? Seriously? Dan? Jim? You constantly bitch at us just for saying that we like SWAPA better than ALPA, but never say "boo" to such egotistical and tribalistic BS like this? Gee, I wonder why.
You guys pretending impartiality are funny.
Bubba
Again with the, "you need to be ALPA, and no other airline union is good enough." For the 900th time. And the rest of you guys keep on claiming that it's Southwest pilots that are arrogant and egocentric about our representation? Seriously? Dan? Jim? You constantly bitch at us just for saying that we like SWAPA better than ALPA, but never say "boo" to such egotistical and tribalistic BS like this? Gee, I wonder why.
You guys pretending impartiality are funny.
Bubba
NEVER want ALPA again! 12 years=no thanks!
Lets focus on growth, no RJS (unless SWA pilots fly them), 401k to 11-12%, and transfer profit sharing to 401K immediately! Profit Sharing to check or 401K ! Trip trading improved (its 2014 not 1970s), buddy passes electronic, (overnighting passes? 1980s).
I believe most ALPA carriers get 15% 401k why wouldn't you shoot for that?
I wasn't even talking about you joining ALPA. I don't think that's a realistic possibility until you deal with your first bankruptcy and realize that you're absolutely screwed without real expertise. I'm just talking about joining forces with us to work together instead of always doing your own thing. Your union is so arrogant that you want to pretend that you're equal in stature to ALPA in DC and around the world. You just aren't. You need to learn to work with us instead of apart from us. Richardson taking a trip to Capitol Hill to take selfies with Boehner is pointless. Working alongside ALPA would be productive.
I'm guessing PCL has more experience than all of us working with ALPA, so he is, in fact, in a good position to make this call. A SWAPA rep taking selfies with Boehner? Really? That's pretty weak.
Well, the point is he has gotten involved and contributed. My biggest gripe is with the pilots that sit on the sidelines and throw stones but never volunteer for anything. We have a few at HA and I'm sure you do too. Those are the folks that hinder progress as much as anyone. It has nothing to do with how much experience or time as an airline pilot they have. Everything to do with dealing with the yahoo's that do nothing but point figures and complain. They are usually out to lunch with their perspective, contribute nothing and use up an inordinate amount of the reps time.
For that reason I err on giving any pilot that contributes their time the benefit of the doubt over the haters.
Well, the point is he has gotten involved and contributed. My biggest gripe is with the pilots that sit on the sidelines and throw stones but never volunteer for anything. We have a few at HA and I'm sure you do too. Those are the folks that hinder progress as much as anyone. It has nothing to do with how much experience or time as an airline pilot they have. Everything to do with dealing with the yahoo's that do nothing but point figures and complain. They are usually out to lunch with their perspective, contribute nothing and use up an inordinate amount of the reps time.
For that reason I err on giving any pilot that contributes their time the benefit of the doubt over the haters.
Well, the point is he has gotten involved and contributed. My biggest gripe is with the pilots that sit on the sidelines and throw stones but never volunteer for anything. We have a few at HA and I'm sure you do too. Those are the folks that hinder progress as much as anyone. It has nothing to do with how much experience or time as an airline pilot they have. Everything to do with dealing with the yahoo's that do nothing but point figures and complain. They are usually out to lunch with their perspective, contribute nothing and use up an inordinate amount of the reps time.
For that reason I err on giving any pilot that contributes their time the benefit of the doubt over the haters.
Well, here I have to disagree with you. PCL has been an actual "airline pilot" (major) only since 2007. His total ALPA experience has been since ALPA replaced their in-house union during their last contract negotiations. Depending on who you believe he is, he actually is ALPA, so he is not in a good position to make this call. His actual job is to be a cheerleader for ALPA; how can you possibly think him objective on the matter? Let me ask you this, Dan: would you think a senior officer in SWAPA would be the best or most objective opinion on whether SWAPA does a better job? I suspect not. Yet you lavish this same label on an ALPA insider, and a literal newbie airline pilot at that. Personally, I would think that pilots who have worked under multiple unions, including decades under ALPA (including several airlines' locals), probably have a better, if not less personally subjective, opinion on the matter.
And by the way, you should stop taking PCL's biased talking points as gospel. You know?
Bubba
I think he hates what happened to AirTran is all. I can't fault that. If an airline bought HA and handled it the way SWA did with AirTran I would be a major hater. Which is one of the reasons I think you think I'm a SWA hater. I Just have taken the side of the smaller airline getting bought perspective. You get ONE guess why!
Well, here I have to disagree with you. PCL has been an actual "airline pilot" (major) only since 2007. His total ALPA experience has been since ALPA replaced their in-house union during their last contract negotiations. Depending on who you believe he is, he actually is ALPA, so he is not in a good position to make this call. His actual job is to be a cheerleader for ALPA; how can you possibly think him objective on the matter? Let me ask you this, Dan: would you think a senior officer in SWAPA would be the best or most objective opinion on whether SWAPA does a better job? I suspect not. Yet you lavish this same label on an ALPA insider, and a literal newbie airline pilot at that. Personally, I would think that pilots who have worked under multiple unions, including decades under ALPA (including several airlines' locals), probably have a better, if not less personally subjective, opinion on the matter.