No FMS

[SkyWstman]

Just curious if at say UAL or DAL your FMS inop, can you guys MEL it and still fly passengers?

 

[snow-back]

A few years ago they used to be MEL-able, however it was up to the discretion of the captain as to whether they would take the aircraft. I saw guys go both ways with it. I always took the "fly it like a 727" attitude, but some people weren't comfortable (at least that's what they said) flying without it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

depends on the jet.... one yes...two no.

 

[AA717driver]

This is frightening. Am I missing something? Someone is refusing to fly an airplane unless the FMS works?

Use your maps and the info from the performance pages.

Am I missing something? TC

 

[SkyWstman]

AA717, Actualy I don't think it's frightening, I think it's professional. Flying in high density airspace with ATC constantly changing your arrival and then your runway transition off of the arrival makes for lots of busy work on the arrival below 18000.

 

[Rough67]

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[CaptainKiwi]

Wow..
Watch out for those unprofessionals that fly in busy airspace without an FMC.

When my FMC quits, i just prefer to pull over into the breakdown lane and let the professionals go by.

I just can't seem to keep the flares level at 18,000 ft while I wait for AAA.

Take it as good practice with an FMC inop. You never know when you will not have it available. Its a nice tool, but the airplane still flies without it.

I flew the CRJ awhile back, it has a nice green needles system. Work as a crew and get er done!

 

[CaptainKiwi]

Carpenter - "Sorry I can't fix your roof today my airnailer is jammed"

Homeowner - "Don't you have a hammer?"

Carpenter - "yah, but with the way the wind is blowin today, I don't think I throw a hammer too well, it has been awhile. I better be more professional and wait for my airnailer to get repaired"

Homeowner - "My roof will be leaking by then, sorry, I am calling someone else"

 

[GuppyWN]

You guys ever fly round dials?

This thread really is showing who the "unprofessional" pilots are. They're the ones who can't think for themselves and won't leave the house without their passifier.

Gup

 

[SkyWstman]

You guys are so funny. I've flown many airplanes with a busted FMS. It's becoming a regular deal. And I've never turned down flying without one. I just wanted to know if it was different at the legacy carriers. I'm glad there are so many heros out there. Give yourself a big pat on the back side.

 

[Superpilot92]

Watch out for the DC9 drivers that fly without their FMS's all the time. They're Crazy!!

 

[Flynfish]

AA717 driver, how would you tune nav aids in the 717 without an fms?

 

[Long Time Gone]

God help us if the autopilot fails too.

 

[CaptainKiwi]

Then this is really a maintenance issue then if you have alot of them. Maybe cnn would like to know that 1% of your airplane and 4% of your fleet is MEL'd. Would love to see the spin CNN could make with if the passengers found out the pilots were flying with an inop navigational computer. How could the pilots actually know where they are going without this computer? Then everytime a passenger boards your airline they ask if you are going to get lost today or is your navigational computer working?

Gotta love the media. There are time limits on MEL's but a great MX department will understand it is extra work for us pilots with inop equipment and get the problem fixed well before timelimit. LUV our MX guys!

 

[Say Again Over]

Am I missing something? TC

Yes you are I'm afraid, some aircraft (apparently not a Gulfstream) need the FMS to be operational.