No Feb. 15th Furloughs at XJ

[fly4ever]

The performance numbers such as D-0, D-15, A-0, A-15 are numbers for flights that actually leave the gate. They do not include cancelled flights before a block-out time. If PCL were to include cancelled flights in these performance numbers you would be much further down the list.

Anyways, the point is exactly what Kmox said - NWA, XJ and 9E management have proven that good performance is not what matters. They willingly sacrifice that everytime they see the opportunity to rape their employees.

 

[PCL_128]

The performance numbers such as D-0, D-15, A-0, A-15 are numbers for flights that actually leave the gate. They do not include cancelled flights before a block-out time. If PCL were to include cancelled flights in these performance numbers you would be much further down the list.

Sorry, but you still aren't paying attention. Completion factor is also a number that is sent to Bombardier, and that takes into account every flight that is canceled for whatever reason. You can try to twist it whatever way you want, but Pinnacle has the best performance of any CRJ-200 operator in the world. Facts are facts.

 

[DetoXJ]

Sorry, but you still aren't paying attention. Completion factor is also a number that is sent to Bombardier, and that takes into account every flight that is canceled for whatever reason. You can try to twist it whatever way you want, but Pinnacle has the best performance of any CRJ-200 operator in the world. Facts are facts.

Good for you guys but my Dad can beat up your Dad and my girlfriend is hotter than yours and her boobies are nicer too.

 

[xjcaptain]

Sorry, but you still aren't paying attention. Completion factor is also a number that is sent to Bombardier, and that takes into account every flight that is canceled for whatever reason. You can try to twist it whatever way you want, but Pinnacle has the best performance of any CRJ-200 operator in the world. Facts are facts.

Not to stir the pot too much, but maybe you are flying AC that are in condition that other wouldn't. Just based on the shape of the B model Saabs that we got from you guys that spent months in maintenance to fix all the issues that were wrong with the aircraft. I'm talking very obvious discrepencies. Then again it might be brought back to the training issues (or lack thereof) that we keep hearing about 9E. If they don't tell you what to look for, I guess you don't know it's broke.

 

[AWACO]

Pinnacle has the best performance of any CRJ-200 operator in the world.

Ha, now I have heard everything

Well any company that pays you to fly can't be that bad can it PCL128?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

OMG you guys! Let's all go back to bashing Spongebob Jinglepants. Or someone who we're not brothers with. Like, uh, how about the bad guy from Puff the Magic Dragon, or Mojo Jojo. No wait, I kinda like Mojo. . .

I got it: Cousin Oliver from the Brady Bunch. Man did that kid suck! Rotten metrics. Ketchup spills.

Anyway - The B Minus planes from Pinnacle sucked, but the pilots didn't work on them. And I'd still rather fly'em to Ottawa than to the desert!

 

[xjcaptain]

The fact remains that they were junk....and the crews were still flying them. You can't be afraid to write something up when it's broke, and walk away from it. It's called being PIC and taking responsibility. With all the things that were obviously wrong when we received them it was clear that the crews were flying them in this condition routinely. I guess I'm saying that many people have seen an attitude of "good enough" or "close enough" rather than making sure that things are done right. "Good enough" or "close enough" will work for a while, but eventually somebody will pay the price. This is one industry where cutting corners, weather it's maintenance, training, or crew performance, will eventually cost lives. It's unfortunate that some people operate in a culture where this is normal practice. Maybe it takes losing a few friends to get to the point where you just will not tolerate people skimming by, and step up and do what's right.

 

[TinGoose1]

PCL also crashes more CRJ's than any other carrier. Try not to leave out all the facts.

 

[PCL_128]

OMG you guys! Let's all go back to bashing Spongebob Jinglepants. Or someone who we're not brothers with. Like, uh, how about the bad guy from Puff the Magic Dragon, or Mojo Jojo. No wait, I kinda like Mojo. . .

I got it: Cousin Oliver from the Brady Bunch. Man did that kid suck! Rotten metrics. Ketchup spills.

Anyway - The B Minus planes from Pinnacle sucked, but the pilots didn't work on them. And I'd still rather fly'em to Ottawa than to the desert!

You're right, no need to argue over this crap. Back to your regularly scheduled Spanjebob Jinglepants bashing. :laugh:

 

[Iflyamouse]

PCL 128 and Lear70,

Do you think performance matters to NWA? I think both of you know why Express I became Pinnacle and received 100+ CRJ's. It's about $ and whipsawing. Plus, your IPO made a nice little contribution to NWA pension stock.

Amen! The last thing NWA cares about right now is performance. It's all about cost! They replaced all their mechanics at the expense of performance vs. cost. They're trying to do it to the FA's and the pilots ... they'll do it do their regionals too.

 

[Lear70]

Amen! The last thing NWA cares about right now is performance. It's all about cost! They replaced all their mechanics at the expense of performance vs. cost. They're trying to do it to the FA's and the pilots ... they'll do it do their regionals too.

Oh don't get me wrong, I understand and agree COMPLETELY that they like to whipsaw our groups against each other during negotiations. On other threads you'll see where I made a $100 bet with PCL 128 that we are GOING to lose planes to XJ, fully prepared for that.

Just wanted to point out that he's correct about our performance and Cost Per Available Seat Mile (I believe unit cost doesn't include G&A items).

I also beleive that even if Mesa put a bid in, they wouldn't get it. Their performance is so God-awful I don't think even NWA could ignore it. I honestly don't think they'll bring in a new red-tail partner, I could be wrong, but I do think we're losing some of our aircraft, especially when our negotiating committee is being so staunch against company-proposed cuts.

Take a paycut? No way, STFD! I'll go full-time sales on eBay to keep food on the table rather than fly these for less.

 

[wmudriver]

especially when our negotiating committee is being so staunch against company-proposed cuts.

The rumor I heard floating the B/C concourse in DTW is that company proposed a 17% pay increase for FOs (which would bring them up to XJ levels) and a 5% reduction for Captains. What a joke...I hope this isn't true and your young FO group wouldn't fall for this garbage.

 

[Lear70]

That IS the going rumor, unsubstantiated by our NC publically, but is pretty close to the mark from what I'm hearing.

And yes, our NC told them to pound sand. Owe them a couple more beers every time they hold the line. I don't think a single one of those guys will ever buy beer again from all of us who appreciate their hard work.

 

[PCL_128]

That IS the going rumor, unsubstantiated by our NC publically, but is pretty close to the mark from what I'm hearing.

It's not just a rumor, it's a fact. The company proposal included an 18% raise for second year FOs, but all other FO rates would remain the same. The CA rates would be cut 5% across the board. 70-seaters would be paid at 3% above the newly-cut rates. In other words, you and I would be paid less to fly a 70-seater than we're currently getting paid to fly a 50-seater. Truly pathetic, and the proposal wasn't even dignified with a response. We are simply going forward with regularly scheduled Section 6 negotiations as if the whole thing never happened.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

NWA's new regional rate is the NewCo a/c flow at less than 50 seat rates. I guess the same thing is happening at XJ. Much much less than the DC-9 with 78 seats.

 

[Lear70]

NWA's new regional rate is the NewCo a/c flown at less than 50 seat rates.

That doesn't surprise me. Northwest wants to pay not only LESS than any major, but LESS than any regional.

I'm glad the NWA MEC is telling THEM to "go pound sand" too. So what if it puts me out of a job? I'll find something else to do and life will go on. IT HAS TO STOP SOMEWHERE!!

P.S. PCL, why didn't the MEC "officially" release that information about the company's offer? Sounds like something perfect for a Payday Hotline... ??? I'll never understand this MEC's reluctance to publish perfectly benign information to ALL the pilots when the reps are free to divulge that same information on an individual basis when questioned. :/