NMB Certifies JetBlue Election to Take Place

[BeachBummer]

I just got a 21%increase I fly min credit. All without ALPo and they did not take 1.9 and my pre tax dollars. They basically get to touch my 401k before I do?! No bueno!

Wow, got a pay bump at 2nd year... Woot.

How much did we pay in DR dues?

Glad life's good for you hyper...

 

[Fins Up]

How did ALPA do for TWA? Is that why TWA pilots sued ALPA?

We have a TWA guy on the organizing committee. He understands that, despite ALPA's checkered past and shortcomings, JetBlue pilot's need something more than the direct relationship. There are too many things that a CBA can do for us that our current structure cannot to continue on the way things are. An in-house union would be dead on arrival. If there is another viable option, I'm all ears.

 

[BeachBummer]

Hyper boys viable option is taking it with a tube of lube, because his last carrier didn't use any.

 

[Blue Dude]

I just got a 21%increase I fly min credit. All without ALPo and they did not take 1.9 and my pre tax dollars. They basically get to touch my 401k before I do?! No bueno!

You just got 13%, followed by two future increases of 3.5% each. This didn't even keep up with the previously established peer set, and required a change in the peer set and a significant work rules reduction to get that much. Good thing you saved that 1.9% to preserve your substandard increase. Congrats.

BTW, union dues are post tax (and thus become tax deductible). They don't affect your 401k, which is based on gross pay, so I don't know what you're blathering about there.

 

[hyperboy]

You just got 13%, followed by two future increases of 3.5% each. This didn't even keep up with the previously established peer set, and required a change in the peer set and a significant work rules reduction to get that much. Good thing you saved that 1.9% to preserve your substandard increase. Congrats.

BTW, union dues are post tax (and thus become tax deductible). They don't affect your 401k, which is based on gross pay, so I don't know what you're blathering about there.

I am sorry but this is not true. 1.9% per tax dollars. Last year ALPO voted dictatorship style to drop dues from 1.95% to 1.9% but now they get your pre tax earnings which means they get to touch your 401k before you do! Not sure if I can make it any easier to understand.

 

[Blue Dude]

I am sorry but this is not true. 1.9% per tax dollars. Last year ALPO voted dictatorship style to drop dues from 1.95% to 1.9% but now they get your pre tax earnings which means they get to touch your 401k before you do! Not sure if I can make it any easier to understand.

Well, no actually, you have no clue what you're talking about. 401k contributions are based on your gross pay. That does not change no matter what ALPA bases its dues on. You're referring to the fact that ALPA dues are now based on gross pay as well, not reduced by 401k contributions. This doesn't mean they get part of your contributions (which remain unchanged), just that the pay base is marginally larger than it was previously, while the percentage claimed is reduced. For some pilots, especially junior pilots with few contributions, dues went down slightly. For others, especially senior pilots who max out their contributions, dues went up slightly. The dues themselves are post-tax, meaning they are paid after you pay taxes on the earnings.

 

[SMcC]

I just got a 21%increase I fly min credit. All without ALPo and they did not take 1.9 and my pre tax dollars. They basically get to touch my 401k before I do?! No bueno!

Food for thought...
Union pilots, ALPA and otherwise have raised the bar industry wide, including for Jet blue pilots.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Food for thought...
Union pilots, ALPA and otherwise have raised the bar industry wide, including for Jet blue pilots.

Bingo. JetBlue pilots beg for handouts while all the other airlines must negotiate.

 

[B6Busdriver]

I just got a 21%increase I fly min credit. All without ALPo and they did not take 1.9 and my pre tax dollars. They basically get to touch my 401k before I do?! No bueno!

As explained to you they do not touch your 401K. It's a shame you have to resort to lying to further your argument. I fly around 80 hours but with the recent bid divisors that has increased (again not by my choice) to 85+. The 21% is over 3 years and only valid at 70 hours. My raise has been more like 5-7% yet we are woefully behind in every benefit category. Liars figure and figures lie.

 

[pianoman]

You make $100,000 for example. All this means is that dues are based on the full 100k whether you sock away $13000 in a 401k or not.

Alpa doesn't "have their hands in your 401k" you just don't get a discount on dues simply because you contribute pre-tax retirement dollars.

 

[Smarta$$]

You make $100,000 for example. All this means is that dues are based on the full 100k whether you sock away $13000 in a 401k or not.

Alpa doesn't "have their hands in your 401k" you just don't get a discount on dues simply because you contribute pre-tax retirement dollars.

Exactly. And frankly why should one Alpa pilot pay less than another based on his 401k contribution.

They both derive the same benefit and the same CBA. One should not bare a higher burden to subsidize the other.

 

[crashtest]

Easy way to solve this issue, JUST VOTE NO!!!!!!!!! Just saying. But back to reality, I do love me some Alpa, hope it goes through cause I CANT WAIT TO PAY THOSE DUES!!!!!

 

[Smarta$$]

The DR dues cost a LOT more.

 

[Blue Dude]

The DR dues cost a LOT more.

You said it.

 

[DASHDRIVER]

When does the vote start? And when does it close?

 

[Fins Up]

When does the vote start? And when does it close?

Voting begins on Mar 25th and closes on Apr 22nd. The ballots and instructions will be mailed out on the 25th so it will take a few days to get to you. If you need to, please check BCSS to make sure your mailing address is correct.

 

[145 Lawndart]

If anyone still does not understand why we need to unionize after reading Barger's opinion below, than you are truly lost.



"The auto industry, the steel industry – these mature industries in the United States – they're healthy now because of foreign ownership, because of not being protected," he says. "Why are we sitting here with a statute that's 70 years old now?" JetBlue is a non-union company, just like Ryanair is, and Barger says that if it was a union firm, its model simply wouldn't work. It wouldn't have the freedom, he argues, to expand as it wished and to do things that separate it from older carriers.

He admires Scandinavian airline Norwegian, which has created an enormous hullabaloo by basing its long-haul arm in Dublin to give it rights to fly from the EU to the United States. US aviation unions have been waging an all-out battle in an effort to prevent the airline from being able to service US routes while being based in Ireland. They have claimed it's basing itself outside Norway so it can hire cheaper pilots and crew from Asia, something the airline denies.

In a recent opinion piece in a Florida newspaper, the head of Norwegian's long-haul arm, Bjorn Kjos, said the airline is "taking on the big guys to offer everyone affordable flights across the Atlantic".

"I applaud what they're attempting to do," says Barger, who concedes that even JetBlue may one day be competing with Norwegian's international arm. "I look at this rhetoric we're seeing in the United States with regard to what Norwegian is attempting to do and wait a minute, why is it the next idea is bad? Are we that threatened by a couple of (Boeing) 787s starting a service from Gatwick to Fort Lauderdale or to Kennedy?"

 

[hyperboy]

Agreed

Exactly. And frankly why should one Alpa pilot pay less than another based on his 401k contribution.

They both derive the same benefit and the same CBA. One should not bare a higher burden to subsidize the other.

Just like the majors subsidize the regionals at ALP_ as well. This is where conflict of interest occurs.....

 

[Blue Dude]

Just like the majors subsidize the regionals at ALP_ as well. This is where conflict of interest occurs.....

Good thing there's no such conflict of interest with JetBlue. Thanks for your support!