NJA XLS abort at KGSP

[HiSpeedFlyer]

If you are truly worried about the "loose lips" violating anything, just don't say anything. I didnt, Iam worried someone else will .Its just that simple. No, It is not. Not in a public forum. Act like you never saw the question to begin with. Until someone drunken posts what the cause was before release by the company or other agencies, hence why I posted. No one in management will ever yell at you for being silent. They yell at me for other things, mostly in my defense of pilots.

I never called you a Donkey's anything, nor would I. No, you didnt, added because I am sure you thought it..The reason you were blunt is because you want the world to know that you work for NJA Absolutely 110% incorrect, Sir. I am proud, but I dont need to beat my chest, people familar with me know I am NJA,and know what I do. Doesnt mean I think I am better or worse,NJA isjust who pays my check, I am loyal to my peers. Truthfully, that even means you, too, the one who persecutes me. If you needed my help, I'd be there quicker than you could say "HSF is a loudmouth NJA guy in the know." Just my makeup, I guess. and you are in the know. Guilty by association, part of volunteering. Your bluntness was unnecessary and unprofessional. NO, it set the bar and no one will accidentally spill confidential info now. If you want to get your point accross a simple "I believe this to be official NJA business and I cannot comment on it. Any information you recieve here should be considered speculative at best." I'll give you this, I used the shotgun method, didnt think it over for 24 hours. It is what it is, and I didnt think like you did. Mea Maxima Culpa.
If you can't manage even that level of professionalism, kindly do not post at all. I will take it under advisement, O2B, but I probably will keep posting, much to your chagrin.

OK, I lied, one more post......

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

So Speed what did you forget???

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I forgot to turn my phone off yesterday!!!!

 

[o2bflyn]

OK, I lied, one more post......

Oh, I did not realize you were out to save the entire pilot group. I thought they were all adults and could talk ( or not talk) for themselves. My bad, good thing they have you.

For the record, I never called you, or thought of calling you, any names what so ever. I am not sure why you keep going back to that one. I resent the implication. Please keep you comments confined to the subject at hand.

Like you said, I am finished with this argument. Its obvious we have different views on the situation.

If anyone has valuable SAFETY RELATED information about this. I would urge you to do what you can to get it out to everyone else flying XL/XLS. I am asking no one to compromise their jobs. If this is a mechanical issue, lets get some info out so someone doesn't run another airplane off the end of RWY6 at TEB.

 

[fischman]

Oh, I did not realize you were out to save the entire pilot group. I thought they were all adults and could talk ( or not talk) for themselves. My bad, good thing they have you.

FWIW, it IS part of his job to speak for the pilots. It is one of the perks of working in a union shop.

I know HSF well, and am VERY glad we have him.

 

[o2bflyn]

FWIW, it IS part of his job to speak for the pilots. It is one of the perks of working in a union shop.

I know HSF well, and am VERY glad we have him.

Fisch,

My issue with this is in the way that he chose to get involved.

In his initial post he stated "and it is none of your freakin' business." I mean come on....they guy asked a simple question. There was no reason for that type of response...especially from a union representative.

I am not out to defame him, the union, or Netjets.

Whatever the problem with that XL/XLS turns out to be, I am glad no one got hurt. 1 million kudos to the pilots for that. If it is something that can be fixed, I hope the NJA makes that information public as soon as possible so there is no repeats.

 

[Wankel7]

Anyone know any details on why the AC would not rotate?
I'm assuming (given the aircraft and the inspection panels that were removed from it) that the tail was not in the Take Off position, but what happened to cause no annunciators in the cockpit that the crew "should have" saw prior to the take off roll?

Could of just walked over there and found out what was going on if you were so concerned.

 

[jppt2000]

I'm sorry to hear that your concern for safety is limited to your company. And yes it is my business since I operate the exact same airplanes. I might not be in the "club", but we as pilots have a professional obligation to keep each other safe.

BTW, it was not a tail issue. Although it was some kind of flight control malfunction. Thank goodness they were on an 11K rynway!

Demand to speak with the chief pilot of the NJA XLS fleet.
Identify yourself as someone who doesn't work at Netjets, who is asking questions and demanding answers on an anonymous internet message board.
Declare to the c.p. you are concerned about safety and it's his professional obligation to tell you everything he knows.
Be sure to use the line " I want the truth!", convince him you can handle the truth.
Tell us all how it went.

 

[Captainzero1]

What confidentiality agreement being violated are you talking about. Like the rich and famous don't fly on QS tails. Are you talking about the young lady the owner is flying with is not his wife. Do you get the financial details of your owners or know that they are flying to TEB to close on a super deal that if disclosed ahead of time would lead to insider trading. Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[jppt2000]

What confidentiality agreement being violated are you talking about. Like the rich and famous don't fly on QS tails. Are you talking about the young lady the owner is flying with is not his wife. Do you get the financial details of your owners or know that they are flying to TEB to close on a super deal that if disclosed ahead of time would lead to insider trading. Inquiring minds want to know.

Demand to speak with the chief pilot of the NJA XLS fleet.
Identify yourself as someone who doesn't work at Netjets, who is asking questions and demanding answers on an anonymous internet message board.


Tell us all how it went.

 

[SENECAII]

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[ultrarunner]

I'm sorry to hear that your concern for safety is limited to your company. And yes it is my business since I operate the exact same airplanes. I might not be in the "club", but we as pilots have a professional obligation to keep each other safe.

BTW, it was not a tail issue. Although it was some kind of flight control malfunction. Thank goodness they were on an 11K rynway!

Matthewjohn, if the reason for the abort was some issue related to an aircraft component or such, you can bet the FSR has been brought in on the loop, and that information disseminated to all FSR's. With that said, if you want the "scoop", simply call your FSR and they will let you know what's going on.

I have used this on a number of occasions so that information can be accurately communicated to those operating the aircraft.

And it's the FSR's obligation to communicate this to the operators, EVEN if it's preliminary data. No reason whatsoever to even call anyone at NJ. You can get the info in a 2 minute phone call.

 

[Crack-Ed]

Here's the poop!

Just finished XL recurrent and one of our NJ class-mates explained that some sort of limiter stop bolt at the base of the yoke had broken off and had somehow lodged itself in the flight controls. As a result of the restriction, the yoke couldn't be moved far enough aft to unstick the nosewheel. Amazing the things that are shared in class in the interest of safety. Enjoy!

 

[say again]

Just finished XL recurrent and one of our NJ class-mates explained that some sort of limiter stop bolt at the base of the yoke had broken off and had somehow lodged itself in the flight controls. As a result of the restriction, the yoke couldn't be moved far enough aft to unstick the nosewheel. Amazing the things that are shared in class in the interest of safety. Enjoy!

Interest of safety are the key words here. Thanks.

 

[SENECAII]

Thank you Crack-Ed

 

[Hawkered]

with googly eyes...don't forget the eyes!