NJA Uniform Change

[ozpilot]

Remember, with leather jackets, you won't look like this guy. Works for me!

Now thats funny! As I recall Jake is a Captain at ASA. Even he's embarrassed to be photographed in front of an RJ!

 

[gunfyter]

So you can look like airtrain pilots.

Better than looking like a Bell Boy with wings. No functional reason for a Pilot to be wearing a coat and tie.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

No on the Leather...

No on the ties... either one of them.

No on the Blazers... either one of them.

No on black rebook tennis shoes (yes, I saw it with my own two eyes)

No on sweaters.

No on stickers all over your suitcase

No on baseball caps

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Yes on a Brooks Brothers 1818 Birdseye suit, custom fitted and tailored.

Yes on a pair of Clarks or other suitable leather dress shoe.

Yes on shaving

Yes on hair cuts

Yes on loosing weight and looking respectable

Yes on clean white shirts without the yellow pit stains

 

[G200_PILOT]

Happy to leave the stupid looking airline jacket at home in the closet.

I'm assuming by "airline jacket" you're referring to the blazer with the stripes on it...

The leather jacket isn't replacing the blazer. It's an alternate option in place of the trench coat.

 

[glasspilot]

Ummm, I'm pretty sure you don't wear a leather jacket over a blazer.

 

[realityman]

I'm not sure why style matters so much to some of you. It's a WORK outfit. If you dislike it, don't wear any of it at home.

Not sure why some call the LP trench coats "child molester" or "flasher" coats. I know I know. Tongue in cheek. Nevertheless, I've never even been given a suspicious sideways glance by anyone ever because I walked into an FBO/store/restaurant/wherever while wearing the LP coat.

I will be sticking with the LP trench. I find it to be nicely warm in winter, and very waterproof for anytime it's raining. I own a couple leather jackets, and while it will do a (barely) adequate job at keeping me warm in cold weather, it doesn't really protect anything lower than my waist. The LP trench does a pretty good job of keeping most of me snug in the cold.

Going back to style, eh, I don't think it's going to matter. I've seen plenty of our pilots who wear the current uniform in such a way as to make it look really bad (or worse, if you're of the mindset that it already looks bad). If you wear the leather jacket, and gigantic pilot Raybans, with slicked back hair, and a DEMEANOR that is 'cowboyish' or unprofessional, then it will be. If you wear it in a more conservative way (fill in your own definition of 'conservative') and ACT like a professional pilot, I doubt anyone will care what outerwear we have on. Besides, it's only on for a very brief period around the owners. I'm assuming everyone takes off their winter outerwear duds once onboard?

Having said all that, and that I'll be sticking with the LP trench, I'm very happy to see we have an option for those that prefer it.

 

[barnyard]

Are we being offered them at a discount from a luxury provider in order to market them to our owners?

Is my uniform allowance now gonna be reduced in half against my will for ANOTHER two years?

ps, it's LOSE weight for all you professionals.

 

[Xcorporate]

Might be fairly close to the truth though.

Sorry, but if I get recalled you won't find one in my closet. The flasher trenchcoat is bad enough, but leather jackets are for motorcycles.

If these guys are worried about leather jackets with nearly 500 of its "brothers" on the street you won't have to worry about recalls. How much was just spent on the italian designer coats? The more things change the more they stay the same. sad.

 

[realityman]

If these guys are worried about leather jackets with nearly 500 of its "brothers" on the street you won't have to worry about recalls. How much was just spent on the italian designer coats? The more things change the more they stay the same. sad.

Not sure I'm understanding you. Because we have furloughed pilots it's against the rules to discuss anything else? Everytime a Netjets pilot talks about anything work-related it absolutely HAS to involve something about the furloughed pilots?

I don't think anyone is "worried" about the leather jackets. It's a change. People talk about change. The pros. The cons. Whatever. Has no bearing on the furloughed pilots one way or the other. Why is that sad?

Barnyard: The jackets are optional. Take em or leave em. If you take it, you will pay only part of the cost out of your uniform allowance. Not sure how much yet. If you don't want it, you'll have your full allowance to get whatever other uniform items you need. Hope that helps.

 

[Xcorporate]

Not sure I'm understanding you. Because we have furloughed pilots it's against the rules to discuss anything else? Everytime a Netjets pilot talks about anything work-related it absolutely HAS to involve something about the furloughed pilots?

I don't think anyone is "worried" about the leather jackets. It's a change. People talk about change. The pros. The cons. Whatever. Has no bearing on the furloughed pilots one way or the other. Why is that sad?

Barnyard: The jackets are optional. Take em or leave em. If you take it, you will pay only part of the cost out of your uniform allowance. Not sure how much yet. If you don't want it, you'll have your full allowance to get whatever other uniform items you need. Hope that helps.

whatever, stay warm in your new jacket.....

 

[realityman]

whatever, stay warm in your new jacket.....

It's the snappy and clever comebacks that I live for on this board!:beer:

PS- Not getting the new jacket. I'll be plenty warm in the coat we already have. Thanks for your concern!:nuts:

 

[Xcorporate]

It's the snappy and clever comebacks that I live for on this board!:beer:

PS- Not getting the new jacket. I'll be plenty warm in the coat we already have. Thanks for your concern!:nuts:

anytime. is that as clever as you get? come on now you can do better.....

 

[OPECJet]

If these guys are worried about leather jackets with nearly 500 of its "brothers" on the street you won't have to worry about recalls. How much was just spent on the italian designer coats? The more things change the more they stay the same. sad.

Erm.... I am one of the almost 500 victims. I prefer to look like a professional when / if I get a recall.

Disagree on whoever posted that dress has no reflection on professionalism.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

Another vote against the leather jacket. I've worn them, froze in them, and been soaked from the waist down in them. Is the leather jacket push coming from the same group that wanted "airline hats" a few years ago?

 

[jtf]

I would have to assume that the group that wants the hats would not be caught dead in the leather jacket. I'm getting the leather jacket. If I'm too cold it isn't raining. If it is I'll use one of the 12 umbrellas I usually find in the closets. If I do get too cold I'll start bringing the LP overcoat again. I did OK my first winter at NJA with just the sweater under the blazer since the overcoat didn't get shipped until the end of April. Maybe my back hair is good for something- insulation.

 

[Mountain Troll]

Wouldn't a new leather jacket (different from normal uniform trenchcoat) and then a common color tie that can be worn by the black and the blue be a start of the pilot solidarity? If management makes NJI go back to blue or NJA to wearing black, tensions will rise. This way, small common changes are easy and help the "shotgun marriage". Of course then, I may be wrong and NJA owner is 100% accurate.

 

[Pervis]

I keep seeing reference to a hat. Any reference to a hat in the past was done in jest. No one was ever serious, at least vocally. They's never live it down.

I have a compromise for the coat. A leather trench coat, just like the gestapo many years ago. Frankly, I could care less what uniform we wear. In fact, I'd wear a clown suit if the pay was right. Whatever I'm provided, I will wear it correctly, and choose the option that is most functional and comfortable. This is really a non-issue. And you hear that from a pilot who is a poster child complainer.

 

[DAS at 10/250]

I keep seeing reference to a hat. Any reference to a hat in the past was done in jest. No one was ever serious, at least vocally. They's never live it down.

I have a compromise for the coat. A leather trench coat, just like the gestapo many years ago. Frankly, I could care less what uniform we wear. In fact, I'd wear a clown suit if the pay was right. Whatever I'm provided, I will wear it correctly, and choose the option that is most functional and comfortable. This is really a non-issue. And you hear that from a pilot who is a poster child complainer.

Leather trench coat like Neo's? I'm in!

 

[NJAowner]

Maybe the answer is a cooler looking trench coat. I can tell you that when I wear a suit and tie (even without a jacket), an overcoat style keeps me drier and warmer than a waist coast jacket. Look at Paul Stuarts catalog and I am sure you can copy something long, warm and stylish. But I also agree withthe posters who say that they'd were many things if the $$ was right (but I will draw a line somewhere).

The strange thing is that when it comes to pilots image is extremely important. If most people walked up to a jet with 2 choices (1) a starched whoite shirt with epaulets, and name tag, etc., but the pilot had 250 hours time, and (2) a t shirt, cargo shorts and flip flops but 5000 hours time, most people woulf think the pilot in uniform was more experienced. Yes it is just image, but that is important.

 

[old*art]

NJAOwner I appreciate the honest evaluation but this has always been an internal disagreement between the blue jeans/golf shirt vocal minority and the regular uniform bunch. (They even think a short sleeve white shirt is businesswear.) The blue jean bunch will be happy with nothing but the leather jacket and whatever other casual wear they can talk the company into. Safety issues with the long coat have always just been a smokescreen. Rumor has it at the union meeting this week the discussion about the new leather jacket was met with a ho hum rather than the standing ovation folks had been led to believe would be forthcoming. PM me for more on this issue.