NJA TA...What's your bet?

[gutshotdraw]

Not everything; we still don't have uniform hats.

THAT'S the day I quit! Bad enough we have to wear the stoopid Captain Stubing jacket. "Gopher and Julie will meet you on the Lido Deck.":smash:

 

[T-1GUY]

Rumor is 4% raises will be compounded for 14+ >40,000 Captains. Still looking to find the final details...

I am Voting Yes!!

 

[netjetwife]

Thanks for the insight, GSD. Here I was thinking the 4 meal limit was the problem...

I'm pleased for the senior pilots who will get a bigger pay raise. Does this help vindicate my optimistic faith in the IBB process?
My low 80s guesstimate is looking better all the time...

 

[imacdog]

That whole little NJI thing released today probably bumped up the number by a percent or two

 

[netjetwife]

It looks like my prediction of sweetening the pot has panned out... Only thing left on the list is Transition Rules. Those sick days have already been earned so it would take a lot of gall (IMHO) to offer chump change for them. Furthermore, management should reward good health, especially coming into the busy season. I think they want the transition to go smoothly and will reach a fair decision. IBB negotiators have been putting icing on the cake so why not add the cherry on top...

Optimistic with good reason,
Netjetwife

 

[acaTerry]

Not everything; we still don't have uniform hats.

Now THAT'S funny!

 

[gutshotdraw]

That whole little NJI thing released today probably bumped up the number by a percent or two

And that would be.....?

 

[gunfyter]

Gutshot,

I am no lawyer but ... If IBB passes...

All future G-IV SICs will come from the NJA seniority list. That is written in stone. The number of non-union pilots @ NJI has reached its zenith.

IF the company opts for Integration by 2010... eventually all PIC slots after that period come from the combined seniority list.

No crystal ball but it looks like its set up to happen that way.

"Good Fences make good neighbors",

I think the fences are good but I have not focused too closely because I am not affected until about another 50 to 100 large airplanes reach the property.

 

[Diesel]

You are really reaching now... I'm on record many times as advocating professional wages for all frac pilots. Any NJ pilot would be hard pressed to find a family more supportive of those on the bottom of the list than my family is. I explained where I'm "coming from" because it helps readers identify the motivation of the poster when they know that person's circumstances. Suffice it to say, board members, that Die$el and I don't have much in common --financially speaking...

Looks like my experience "financially speaking" has proven that there is always something left on the table. You can either take the first offer or you can keep going till you get the package that is wanted.

Being "positive" doesn't usually get the end results.

Of course this is just my "financial" experience.

 

[captain dad]

Guess which definition of the word vanity I am thinking of.

 

[netjetwife]

Absolutely being positive gets results. It's tied to winning while negativity goes with quitting. It's also good strategy to cheer for your team while they are on the field, especially when they are working long hours--for free.

Interesting spin there Diesel... It's not as though you voted down one offer and held out for more. Obviously, it was about the money with you, too. In spite of your digs at me for making pay a main issue, clearly, the end result$ played a big part in winning you over. I've been surprised at your attitude because you could ea$ily afford to be generous in supporting those who needed the money for basic necessities.

Clarification: I wasn't referring to your experience handling money. I'm sure you've had plenty. I was making the point that those with far less $ viewed the IBB proposal as acceptable early on. We viewed the TA from different perspectives. You from a two wage-earners, no children lifestyle. Me from a one bread-winner, three kids, family.

In spite of that difference, we share a dedication to the Union. I'm very pleased for you (and the other hold-outs) that the pot was sweetened to your liking in the end. That didn't surprise me at all. I had the faith all along. I wasn't optimistic because I'm naive, but because I was observing my husband closely and watching him for signals. Too bad you didn't take the hints. You missed your chance to be a hero, but I'm sure you'll make a handsome goat...

 

[Ultra Grump]

You from a two wage-earners, no children lifestyle. Me from a one bread-winner, three kids, family.

Interesting comparison. Married with no kids is a "lifestyle," and married with kids is a "family." Hmmm...

 

[netjetwife]

Yup, I think those w/young children get it... Actual, I'm addressing the differences in our economic perspective. Those w/more discretionary income (hinted at by lifestyle) could afford to be picky when it came to supporting the proposal. Basic fact of life: those more in need of the money were generally quicker to support the TA. I'm just glad more pilots are now getting on board. The higher the vote count the better when you're looking for a general consensus.

 

[Fozzy]

Hate to say it, but I think she is right.
:erm:

 

[Diesel]

Obviously, it was about the money with you, too. In spite of your digs at me for making pay a main issue, clearly, the end result$ played a big part in winning you over. I've been surprised at your attitude because you could ea$ily afford to be generous in supporting those who needed the money for basic necessities.

Sorry no it wasn't the money that changed my vote. The money never changed, slightly but what really swayed my vote is some of the LOA's that were finally put in writing instead of just hearing gossip about it.

Basic necessities don't mean much when your jobs are being sold overseas by other branches of the same company willing to do it for less. Think pan-am flight attendants that were hired in europe and eventually were working in the states for far less money than their american counterparts.

I don't need to be the hero. I do need to be able to look myself in the face in the mirror be it tomorrow or 14 years from now.

Off to bed.. .tough to see the sun set and rise in the same flight. Cheerio