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[dsptchrnja]

Oh... you mean the scheduler snafu where BB had a thing for Chip and Molly. BB was going to take action against the two and at the last minute he got spanked by RTS? Oh yeah. That event I remember.

I'm so sure you know more about the events than all the people involved in the investigation. You the judge and jury for the company's internal affairs now? Besides can't you guys ever come up with a more recent example? Strikes me funny that when you want to slander your company you have to reach back to examples that happened years ago - and on top of that, to make your point, you alledge that your boss is corrupt. Real nice.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Strikes me funny that when you want to slander your company you have to reach back to examples that happened years ago - and on top of that, to make your point, you alledge that your boss is corrupt. Real nice.

This company has the largest integrity problem I have ever witnessed at an employer. The boss has a huge cedibility problem.

Ok... recent example. 400XP bid. Legal bid. Bid went junior to #2000 for captain. Company withholds the bid. Scumbags.

 

[x402]

This company has the largest integrity problem I have ever witnessed at an employer. The boss has a huge cedibility problem.

Ok... recent example. 400XP bid. Legal bid. Bid went junior to #2000 for captain. Company withholds the bid. Scumbags.

Where's your snappy comeback Dispatcher? Checking with the powers that be before responding. We'll accept a 'Yes that's wrong.'

 

[dsptchrnja]

This company has the largest integrity problem I have ever witnessed at an employer. The boss has a huge cedibility problem.

Ok... recent example. 400XP bid. Legal bid. Bid went junior to #2000 for captain. Company withholds the bid. Scumbags.

Where's your snappy comeback Dispatcher? Checking with the powers that be before responding. We'll accept a 'Yes that's wrong.'

Obviously you realize I don't know anything about that nor have I heard the "other" version from the company. If you were wronged go through the proper channels, not the internet, I have confidence that the company does what is right and fair. If they don't that's what the ethics hotline is for.

 

[hydrarkt]

YOU asked for a recent example... He gave you one. And thanks for reminding us about the ethics hotline.. seems like a call will be made.

 

[dsptchrnja]

YOU asked for a recent example... He gave you one.

Actually he made the case in point. Apparently he couldn't resist the temptation to slander the company.

 

[x402]

Obviously you realize I don't know anything about that nor have I heard the "other" version from the company. If you were wronged go through the proper channels, not the internet, I have confidence that the company does what is right and fair. If they don't that's what the ethics hotline is for.

The real point is that you as non bargining employees are being used/played as much as we are. The difference is the fact that we have people looking out for our interests and you have to accept what you hear from mgt.
I know this will sound patronizing but I am sorry you have to come to this public forum to find out about the company you believe is doing the right thing. They aren't and the evidence is mounting.

We have a plan to deal with the 400xp bid and we have a plan to deal with other violations that are forthcoming. WE ARE WELL REPRESENTED.

 

[FredGarvin]

dsptchrNJA,
Don't waste your time on somedude, I have it on good authority that he's really a company mole hired by Buffet to make the pilots look like foul mouthed, un-professional idiots. He's doing a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** good job. Let him continue. By the time he's done he'll have offended everybody including the brothers. He's the poster boy for why these highly trained professional heros of of the sky, who single handedly have saved us from oblivion, deserve the keys to the kingdom. We mere mortals in the casino don't deserve to even post on this board.

 

[FamilyGuy]

This company has the largest integrity problem I have ever witnessed at an employer. The boss has a huge cedibility problem.

Ok... recent example. 400XP bid. Legal bid. Bid went junior to #2000 for captain. Company withholds the bid. Scumbags.

Lets be fair about this one flylow.....

IMHO, It appears that both sides are exploiting loopholes in this situation.

The union, in an attempt to get bypass pay for a bunch of FO's, arranges for a captain bid to go very junior. This isnt how the system was intended to work, but you've found a loophole in the system and have chosen to use it in an effort to get more pay for people.

The company apparently has found another loophole and chosen to withhold the bid rather than give a bunch of people bypass pay.

Is the exploitation of either loophole acceptable? Not in my opinion....

 

[dsptchrnja]

The real point is that you as non bargining employees are being used/played as much as we are. The difference is the fact that we have people looking out for our interests and you have to accept what you hear from mgt.
I know this will sound patronizing but I am sorry you have to come to this public forum to find out about the company you believe is doing the right thing. They aren't and the evidence is mounting.

We have a plan to deal with the 400xp bid and we have a plan to deal with other violations that are forthcoming. WE ARE WELL REPRESENTED.

I'm glad you have your security blanket. Your post isn't patronizing - it's just delusional. I've said it before and I'll say it again now. My opinions are based of facts and evidence I've witnessed with my own eyes and experiences - not to mention a little common sense thrown in for good measure. The only thing I've come to find/realize from this public forum is that there is a small minority of people claiming to be NJA pilots, some who, I beleive, unfortunately are just that, devoted to spewing out deceitful and manipulative horse crap under the infuluence of bitterness and sometimes greed.

This is one thing you can't argue with - I hardly had an opinion on your contract until the people described above started defaming and vilifying the company that I respect and have come to trust. It wasn't until you started spreading rumor, conspiracy theories, harsh critcism towards several department groups and threatening other aviation pilots groups that I even started defending it. I'm not going to try to convince anyone that this company can't use improvement or that we never make mistakes. You don't think I'm aware of the issues that need changed? That's not even the point. This public forum has shown me one thing - that you have an agenda. If your agenda was simply to increase awarness and gain support for your cause without slandering and defaming the company name, the associates that work here, or other pilot groups then you wouldn't be hearing a peep out of me.

 

[Hogprint]

dsptchrNJA,
Don't waste your time on somedude, I have it on good authority that he's really a company mole hired by Buffet to make the pilots look like foul mouthed, un-professional idiots. He's doing a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** good job. Let him continue. By the time he's done he'll have offended everybody including the brothers. He's the poster boy for why these highly trained professional heros of of the sky, who single handedly have saved us from oblivion, deserve the keys to the kingdom. We mere mortals in the casino don't deserve to even post on this board.

Class warfare at its finest.

 

[Hogprint]

Obviously you realize I don't know anything about that nor have I heard the "other" version from the company. If you were wronged go through the proper channels, not the internet, I have confidence that the company does what is right and fair. If they don't that's what the ethics hotline is for.

Here is the short "other" version,

Company needs Capts in the 400xp...

When they get the bids, they will not release bids. They always honored these bids before. If a junior bidder was able to snag a bid and hefted his brothers on his shoulders then so be it. I'd say 90% of the pilots here have benefited from this NEGOTIATED clause in our contract.

Lets read that again... A NEGOTIATED CLAUSE IN THE CONTRACT

Seems like the company is cutting off their nose to spite their face....

 

[Hogprint]

Lets be fair about this one flylow.....

IMHO, It appears that both sides are exploiting loopholes in this situation.

The union, in an attempt to get bypass pay for a bunch of FO's, arranges for a captain bid to go very junior. This isnt how the system was intended to work, but you've found a loophole in the system and have chosen to use it in an effort to get more pay for people.

The company apparently has found another loophole and chosen to withhold the bid rather than give a bunch of people bypass pay.

Is the exploitation of either loophole acceptable? Not in my opinion....

Lets be fair and call a spade a spade.

The company AGREED to this lanquage in the contract they signed with the union back in 97. They knew full well the ramifications of "seat lock" deals.

Enlighten me on the companys loophole though? We would be very interested in what that is?

 

[FamilyGuy]

Enlighten me on the companys loophole though? We would be very interested in what that is?

Wish I could, but that's not my area of expertise, which is why I used the word 'apparently' in my original post

 

[Publishers]

Obviously if the pilots use a clause and manipulate the circumstances to get people paid at a higher rate to do the same thing they were doing before, it is simply a negotiated clause not a blatant attempt to out system the system.

When this came up on this board, posters could not wait to get their posts up praising their clever move and the unity it took to pull this thing off and get the upgrades for those not involved.

And this same group slams management for doing anything that smells bad.

It's the same old "we met the enemy and it was us".

 

[GVFlyer]

Technically speaking BB is a pilot. A commercial pilot who hasn't pilot a plan in years. Once a pilot, unfortunately, always a pilot (in thsi case). Boisture IS NOT, however, a consumate aviator. There is a huge difference.

Bill is an Air Force Academy Grad, graduated in the top of his Undergraduate Pilot Training class, was FAR'd (given the Fighter, Attack, Reconnaisance track), flew fighters, and while at Gulfstream was G-IV rated and flew his own Citation around. I have flown with him in the G-IV and he is a competent pilot in that jet.

GV

 

[Hogprint]

Obviously if the pilots use a clause and manipulate the circumstances to get people paid at a higher rate to do the same thing they were doing before, it is simply a negotiated clause not a blatant attempt to out system the system.

When this came up on this board, posters could not wait to get their posts up praising their clever move and the unity it took to pull this thing off and get the upgrades for those not involved.

And this same group slams management for doing anything that smells bad.

It's the same old "we met the enemy and it was us".

Publishers,
The point I was trying to make was, the company had no grief with a junior pilot getting a bid and people senior getting bypass pay up until this last bid.

This has been going on for close to seven years. Why and more importantly how did the company just arbitrarily not give a bid? It would be one thing if they rescinded the bid, but they are withholding it with no explanation.

I guess you'd have us just roll over and take it again like we did for three 1/2 years of this kind of activity? They are reactionary and have resorted to childish rubbish like holding a bid with no reason. This is truly pathetic.

The company is meeting a new opponent...and it is us.

 

[FAcFriend]

The point I was trying to make was, the company had no grief with a junior pilot getting a bid and people senior getting bypass pay up until this last bid.

Really? Did they tell you that? Of course, this new union tactic bothered mngt.

How many times did Net jet wife tell potential new hires "It will never happen again" Herculean effort to get bypass pay ....

And now every time there is a new slot open for bid, the union says "don't bid on it so it can go to someone junior."

What if I want my husband, who has paid his dues to bid on it??

 

[Hogprint]

The point I was trying to make was, the company had no grief with a junior pilot getting a bid and people senior getting bypass pay up until this last bid.

Really? Did they tell you that? Of course, this new union tactic bothered mngt.

How many times did Net jet wife tell potential new hires "It will never happen again" Herculean effort to get bypass pay ....

And now every time there is a new slot open for bid, the union says "don't bid on it so it can go to someone junior."

What if I want my husband, who has paid his dues to bid on it??

NO, they did not tell me that, but for the better part of four years they had absolutly NO PPOBLEM with junior pilots getting bids and seat locks going on by-pass. Just simple facts for all to see. How long did you say you've been here?

If you and your husband want to bid, then by all means grab the bull by the horns and jump in the ring.

 

[Publishers]

Maybe it was when you started to rub their faces in it that they decided that did not want to let it continue.

Now that they put a stop everyone says it is not fair. Let's see, because someone lets me get away with crossing their yard a few times, I have every right to get pissed off when the do object.

It is this kind of bull that totally diminishes what is probably a legitimate request for higher wages. This and all this other crapola about what Netjets pays for oil or flight training or that WB looks on this as anythng but another investment. My experience in 35 years of flying aircraft trying to make money is that the flight training business has a better return with a lot less grief. If this was not where Netjets sold the aircraft, the whole operation thing would not make any sense at all.