NJA Radical Children

[realityman]

Stupid thread.

All the NJI guys I've talked to this tour have been great. Really looking forward to working together with them.

Almost all the NJA pilots will be most welcoming to the NJI folks. Of course there's a few boneheads out there. So far I've counted about 3 on our own message boards. 3 out 2900.

I don't think either side will be at war with each other. It's looking pretty good for this integration.

Ah shucks!!! Did something I said just blow giant holes in B19's theory of unions and turmoil?

By the way, would you folks please not quote him. A stupid thread, yes. But at least it had coherence for me because B19 is on my ignore list.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

I don't think either side will be at war with each other. It's looking pretty good for this integration.

Bingo! There is way to much to loose for NetJets pilots to screw the pooch on this one.

GPAC will be in full swing by mid-Jan and working together with NJASAP, any potential wars will be diverted.

Someone else has already said it, but I'm proud of the pilots who have stepped up and are working to make this integration as good as it can be. So far, I've been impressed.

 

[netjetwife]

Sigh thats why I said "for the most part". Sorry, Diesel, I'm not a mind reader. I didn't say elected leaders. Which is the reason that I did. I was just adding to the conversation. Their jobs are to look out for the membership first, not themselves that's why they were elected. To represent me and my peers. Certainly. And it was that aspect that I thought worthy of pointing out for those who may not have ever been in a union and/or as a reminder to the few who may be less welcoming to the newcomers.

Not everything is about you.

For the record, Diesel, I wasn't thinking about myself at all. Ironically, you are the one who unfairly/rudely put a spin on it that was never there...

I agree with Realityman that generally speaking the pilots who make a sincere effort to reach out and find common ground will have their efforts reciprocated in like fashion, especially when meeting face to face. Unfortunately, it is usually more difficult to make friends on the message boards. So for those whose manners might be a bit rusty, practice makes perfect...hint, hint...

 

[netjetwife]

... GPAC will be in full swing by mid-Jan and working together with NJASAP, any potential wars will be diverted.

Someone else has already said it, but I'm proud of the pilots who have stepped up ....

Good post, Wolf! I firmly believe that open communication and mutual respect can go far to solving and/or averting problems while building a solid foundation for the relationship. As an affected family member, I appreciate those who have volunteered their time to work on a project that ultimately benefits all of the NJA/I families. Thank you!

 

[fischman]

Fisch,

Despite the information in A.V.'s "Slaying the Rumor Dragon" a few days ago, none of the NJASAP web site areas have been released from password protection (at least as of this morning). Consequently, any discussion on this topic on the NJASAP web site would be, shall we say, lopsided.

I trust the situation will be resolved soon and NJI pilots will be able to have their questions about the union and the integration answered by the Trustees and Shop Stewards that will be authorized to post on the site.

Meanwhile, as to the main topic of this thread, I believe everybody on both sides needs to take a deep breath, realize this will be a work in progress for ANOTHER TWO YEARS, take care of their passengers, crew and airplane, and worry a little more about their friends, colleagues and neighbors that might not work for a company with the backing of America's second richest man.

Thanks for the update. I didn't know you guys didn't have access yet.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Despite the information in A.V.'s "Slaying the Rumor Dragon" a few days ago, none of the NJASAP web site areas have been released from password protection (at least as of this morning).

It would appear Dirty Dingus has access, as he appears to have been responding directly to something posted on our board.

 

[Dirty Dingus]

he appears to have been responding directly to something posted on our board.[/quote]




Grump,
Tks for the confirmation on the bad attitudes from our NJA pilots.

:beer:

 

[flyjetspeed]

It would appear Dirty Dingus has access, as he appears to have been responding directly to something posted on our board.

Does anyone at NJI NOT have access to the NJASAP website EXCEPT for the message boards? If so just ask around a little bit and someone will tell you how! Or if you PM me I will give it to you so long as you ID yourself and I confirm on the BB

 

[gutshotdraw]

GPAC will be in full swing by mid-Jan and working together with NJASAP, any potential wars will be diverted.

I'm still trying to figure out how a committee of people "elected" by less than half of the pilot group, with no polling research, and with ZERO legal standing is going to have any impact on where the integration is going. But hey, knock yourself out.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

Good post, Wolf! I firmly believe that open communication and mutual respect can go far to solving and/or averting problems while building a solid foundation for the relationship. As an affected family member, I appreciate those who have volunteered their time to work on a project that ultimately benefits all of the NJA/I families. Thank you!

Um...I want to see the rest of that avatar...imp:

 

[Pervis]

Does anyone at NJI NOT have access to the NJASAP website EXCEPT for the message boards? If so just ask around a little bit and someone will tell you how! Or if you PM me I will give it to you so long as you ID yourself and I confirm on the BB

Unless you're on the Executive Board or Integration Committee, I'd be careful doing that. There is a site that will allow communication between the committee, selected NJASAP personnel and NJI pilots. The best way to help would be telling our webmaster if there are issues.

 

[Ultra Grump]

Grump,
Tks for the confirmation on the bad attitudes from our NJA pilots.

:beer:

I guess everyone over at NJI is absolutely thrilled about the integration, right? Or are you guys the only ones allowed to have some trepidation about this?

 

[Dirty Dingus]

As far as I'm concerned this is a WIN WIN situation for all of the Netjet pilots. Cheers
:beer:

 

[Semore Butts]

I'm enjoying meeting the NJI guys.

I will be glad when we can communicate together with the "G" guys.

I was against it and voted so. (IBB happened to fast for me)

Like the NJI guys that are being told "to bad, you should have spoken up 3 years ago", the same goes for us on the NJA side.

I have spoken to more and more NJI guys here in PM's. All seem like they will be a great addition to NJASAP.

Don't know where Dingus was getting his information.

I have seen on the union board some people voice there disagreement with the deal (as I have) but nobody is under the illusion that it's not gonna happen.

I sure don't hold anything against the NJI pilots?

Welcome, when it's all said and done we can come back and laugh at B-19!

 

[Diesel]

I'm still trying to figure out how a committee of people "elected" by less than half of the pilot group, with no polling research, and with ZERO legal standing is going to have any impact on where the integration is going. But hey, knock yourself out.

Nobody has been elected yet. If the majority doesn't elect representitives then GPAC won't happen.

Hey I'll knock myself out.... because there are pilots here with cajones that want to explore every avenue so that every NJI line pilot has a voice at the table and isn't just represented with those that have an agenda that might not coincide with line pilots.

Guess I'll just have to knock myself out.

 

[Gruman Fan]

I'm still trying to figure out how a committee of people "elected" by less than half of the pilot group.

Who said that? I was directly told by an organizer that they see 50+1 being registered by Jan.?


with no polling research.

GPAC is clearly a more reactive effort than a proactive effort. If an issue arises in which GPAC needs to poll the group, I'm sure they would.


And with ZERO legal standing is going to have any impact on where the integration is going.

Sorry Guts, but you are clearly wrong. NJASAP has clearly stated,

Many of you are receiving this e-mail from the Gulfstream Pilot Action Committee (GPAC), whose organizers include NJI pilots XXX and XXX. Having evaluated GPAC’s goals, objectives and processes, NJASAP was pleased to partner with them. We would encourage you to do the same by sending your full name, contact telephone number, e-mail address, and aircraft type to [email protected]. You may also visit the NJASAP Web site, www.njasap.com, and provide the Union with the same information via the “Info Update Form” Quick Link in the top left-hand corner of the home page.

Thats all the legal standing we need.

I think you and some other guys are mad that this all took place behind closed doors and totally outside the view of NJI management and the group leaders. (Speaking of which, are you a group leader?) Being an ex ALPA guy, I can tell you that sometimes its just better to let these talks happen out of the public eye. This took months to organize and Im sure it was a long and tetious process for both sides to build a relationship of trust to the point that they could "come out" and make these endorsements. This didnt just happen, the union isnt stupid. I'm sure they did they're background checks, asked the questions, and so forth. But now that both sides have agreed to work together, they've tied themselves together to make this whole thing workout. Nobody wants egg on their face, so they will do what it takes to make it happen smoothly, and fairly. And 2 years down the road, we'll all be better off (excluding the economy..:erm

NJASAP wants a smooth integration, and dealing with 4 pilots instead of 324 will make it a lot easier on them.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.....

 

[gutshotdraw]

I'll be surprised if 50% +1 join the effort.

Whose going to pay for the polling?

Just because NJASAP says "Have a seat" doesn't give GPAC legal standing with the NMB if it comes to that.

I'm not mad. I just think it is a futile effort (and no, I'm not management and I'm not part of the biggest waste of time in the history of NJI aka the Group Leader program). Based on the conversations I've had with two NJASAP people at the forefront of the integration and Bill Olsen's reputation, I'm not worried at all about a smooth integration. I just don't think GPAC will have an impact and people will have gotten their panties in a wad for no reason.

And Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

 

[Diesel]

Gutshot-

Good then don't join. Keep hoping that everything stays good and that BO hasn't switched over to the dark side and that someone will do the heavy lifting for you.

To not even register because you feel is a waste of time is one of the more pansy things I've read. Be a man grab your balls and say, "I don't believe in this." not "well everything will hopefully be allright and I believe its a waste of time"

I'd respect you a hell of a lot more in the morning.

 

[TCA]

Hey "D",

Are you slamming "Gutshot" from the perspective of the above post or another?

I don't think your comments apply to his post above.

He expressed his opinion that he doesn't feel that there will be a majority to sign with GPAC. I too would be surprised if there was a 50% plus 1 majority.

Cheers

 

[gutshotdraw]

Diesel,

I don't believe in this BECAUSE it's a waste of time.

Happy?