NJA Pilots Vote

[netjetwife]

Don't mean to be ignorant but why the vote ?? I thought NJA was IBT already ?? Decertification ?? Merging of two groups ??

Thx..

Some of the NJA pilots wanted to leave the Teamsters when they left Local 284 and set up (pilot exclusive) 1108, but the timing wasn't right then. Now it is. For the approximately 2800 NJA pilots, who have a lengthy contract and a good working relationship with the Company, becoming independent is the next logical step. There's also potentially an additional advantage. It is speculated that NJA and NJI will combine and the NJI pilots are thought to prefer an in-house Association.

The pilots of Flight Options will remain in 1108. Their group is considerable smaller and they're at the bargaining table so that makes sense. NJASAP and 1108 have a written agreement that the NJASAP pilots will help the 1108 leadership set up their own office and the two groups will work together in the future on mutually beneficial projects.
NJW

 

[imacdog]

Good to hear from you, B! I wouldn't worry too much about your scenario, considering over 50% of elegible voters have already voted with two weeks until the vote closes.

 

[netjetwife]

"Mac, I don't know (or care) what the fudspinner suggested. His opinion is irrelevant. You are right. The votes are coming in.

To those of you who may think you voted when you sent in your card: That just indicated interest in having NJASAP represent you. Something the NMB needed to see. This is the official election so the 85% plus who mailed in a card do need to call in your vote, too. Telephonic and/or electronic voting is something the NJ pilotgroup has long wanted. NJASAP is already delivering...:beer:

 

[B19 Flyer]

For the approximately 2800 NJA pilots, who have a lengthy contract and a good working relationship with the Company, becoming independent is the next logical step.

Ahh... but there's the rub!

(pirate talk because those stupid boots represent so much pillaging)

When it gets tough, (and it will because it always does when the contract is up), those paid volunteers will not have the strength of the national union and they will see how STUPID and greedy what they are doing is now.

REMEMBER THAT NJW PROFITS FROM NJASAP BECAUSE HER HUSBAND IS A PAID "VOLUNTEER"
SHE HAS A PERSONAL AND VESTED INTEREST IN IT'S SUCCESS. ​

 

[brokeflyer]

Ahh... but there's the rub!

(pirate talk because those stupid boots represent so much pillaging)

When it gets tough, (and it will because it always does when the contract is up), those paid volunteers will not have the strength of the national union and they will see how STUPID and greedy what they are doing is now.

REMEMBER THAT NJW PROFITS FROM NJASAP BECAUSE HER HUSBAND IS A PAID "VOLUNTEER" ​

SHE HAS A PERSONAL AND VESTED INTEREST IN IT'S SUCCESS. ​

You don't work here therefore you know exactly $hit about nothing. You cant comment and stuff that you don't know anything about. In fact you don't even work for a fractional. Your forum is at www.dumbdicks.com Stop making yourself look like a retard. Your embarrasing the human race.

 

[fischman]

Screw B19.

B19 has no clue what is going on and is trying to hijack the thread.

It is time to VOTE!!!!!!

 

[Semore Butts]

Right on cue Bafoon 19

"it be poetic justice to discover the union got decertified because the union couldn't get the package to look important enough to open?"

Bafoon, you are again commenting on something you don't know anything about. (what a dope)

 

[gunfyter]

The fact of the matter is the pilots LOVE their union.


And RTS has said he likes having a Union in aviation.

He said you want a union so you don't have to worry about pilots being pressured to fly when its not safe.... Anyone with access to the secure company website can verify this by watching the Hangar Video posted there.

So management likes the Union, the pilots love the union .... Looks like we will have a union forever at NJA.

 

[Paul R. Smith]

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[fischman]

NetJets is a Berkshire Hathaway company.

Last year was our most profitable ever.

We have $2.5 billion in now aircraft on order.

The only things keeping us from growing faster is training slots and we can't get airplanes fast enough.

We have NEVER furloughed a pilot.

You future would be secure.

 

[FLYLOW22]

NetJets is a Berkshire Hathaway company.

Last year was our most profitable ever.

We have $2.5 billion in now aircraft on order.

The only things keeping us from growing faster is training slots and we can't get airplanes fast enough.

We have NEVER furloughed a pilot.

You future would be secure.

Hahha. I remember back in the heat of negotiations for the 2005 agreement when the company was headed down the wrong path of "our way or the highway", one of the talking heads (now gone... Moisture or something) said, "Blah, blahhhh fickin Blahhhhhh... We may have to furlough... blahhh blahh blaaaahhhhhh."

I remember laughing out loud. Really loud. I was in the front row of the "presentation".

We never got close to a furlough. Pesky Owner kept buying planes!

I LOVE OUR OWNERS!!!!

 

[fischman]

I LOVE OUR OWNERS!!!!

Me too.

And that's why we made a lot of money. Last count I saw was at least 3000 others who felt the same way.

 

[CaveoFalco]

"The union leadership wasn't even smart enough to make the packet not look like junk mail."

If you did your research you would know that the referendum is being conducted by BallotPoint - the electronic balloting firm that does 99% of the NMB referendums. The NMB approved ballot and envelope were certified by both NJASAP and the IBT. It is NMB certified. Oh wait - my bad, I forgot you do not do research.

Wouldn't it be poetic justice to discover the union got decertified because the union couldn't get the package to look important enough to open?

If you did your research you would know that this is not an NMB referendum but an internal IBT 1108 referendum. If less than 50% plus 1 show up (too late - already way past that point), the union is not decertified, IBT retains representation. There is zero chance in this referendum to lose union representation.

If you did your research you would know that just like everything the NJA pilot union has done since 2004, this is ground breaking. If a plurality chooses NJASAP, the paperwork gets filed with the NMB by NJASAP, IBT, and NetJets and NJASAP becomes the representation body for NJA pilots.

Your emotional argument will never defeat the power of education. If this is the best you union-busters have got, it is time for union leaders to take a vacation - there is no challenge here.

 

[fischman]

For more information use the "contact us" link on www.njasap.com, or contact the 1108 E-Board at www.ibt1108.com.

 

[Grizz]

Fisch,

That is incorrect. The information you are talking about was only valid in the case of an actual NMB decertification vote. This internal referendum has zero possibility of causing a decertification of the union. That's one of the reasons we (NJASAP) signed the agreement with the Teamsters.