NJA LOA on changing Domiciles reached for newhires!!

[tk855]

That wouldn't happen because pilots are allowed to switch domiciles for the purpose of upgrading. In that situation the 2 yr domicile lock won't be applied. The pilots will be required to fill out a Standing Bid Form (and ya better keep it current because the awards will be based on that) that states their priority--domicile location or upgrade time. If you elect to upgrade asap then you will be offered (assuming you're eligible to bid for it)the domicile/plane slot that meets your goal. As long as you were willing to change domiciles to the one with the upgrade opportunity, it would go to you before it was awarded to a pilot who had been hired after you.

I'm sorry that I can't predict which domicile would give you the quickest upgrade. If there's a method to their madness, I haven't seen it yet.

NJWife, I have to respectfully disagree with your interpretation of the LOA. No post CBA pilot will have to switch domiciles in order to upgrade. Like our union president describes, you have to think of the LOA as two parts, 1)the preference to change domiciles and 2)the opportunity to upgrade. There essentially will be no "senior" domicile regarding upgrades the way I understand it. The question was posted on page 1 of the three page thread located on our union message board, I paraphrase: "for a post CBA pilot to bid for the first available upgrade he or she might be forced to transfer to a different domicile or forgo the first available upgrade opportunity?" If you look further down the same thread, you will see how our union president explains that this will not be the case.

I hope I am not misunderstanding what you are trying to say, and I certainly hope I am not misunderstanding the LOA. If I am incorrect I want to make sure I have the correct information.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Let's face it, the advice was a negotiating tactic.

No. No games.

The mamagement of this company killing NJA swiftly enough without the pilots getting involved to make this job undesireable.

When the pilots of NJA lost enthusiasm as a normal reaction to the POSTA, the advice of "don't come to NJA" was very sound and solid.

I, personally, didn't see NJA lasting indefinetely without a dedicated frontline force of pilots.

Why ask guys to come here for an environment like that.

The scales were so tipped in the pilots favor, we didn't need to imbelish how crappy it would be coming to work at NJA. It was crappy.

Now in terminals around the US... I am happy to report that after years of silence, AA and Delta pilots have broken the code of silence with us to ask us about NetJets.

 

[Ultra Grump]

BINGO!

Not to detract from anyone who was giving advice then, but it was BAD
advice for those who had the chance to come early but waited until after the T.A. was ratified.

Sorry, but if you base your career decisions on advice you receive on flightinfo, then you deserve whatever result you manage to achieve.

 

[gunfyter]

BINGO!

Not to detract from anyone who was giving advice then, but it was BAD
advice for those who had the chance to come early but waited until after the T.A. was ratified.

No because there would not have been a contract worth coming for ... ie $27K/yr pay.

 

[Hogprint]

Gutshotdraw posted:

Of course, the smart ones ignored that advice and joined the company before the new contract and received HBA rights as a result. Kind of damages the credibility of some of the advice on this board, doesn't it?

I would agree with that statement if all the new hires were clairvoyant, but at the time there was no light at the end of the tunnel. There were not even any rumors that the TA was around the corner, so your premise is not valid.

I imagine most people were looking for work and did what a lot of us did when in that situation. They took the job to feed the family, conditions be danged.

PS
I had a old Army bubba call me last year inquiring about NJA. I told him as a NJA pilot I would advise not coming here for (fill in the blank) reasons. I then told him as a former army brother I'll do anything I can to help you get on if you so chose. He was hired a month or two before the TA hit the streets. Moral of the story? You do what you have to do.

 

[notaNJApilot]

The question was posted on page 1 of the three page thread located on our union message board, I paraphrase: "for a post CBA pilot to bid for the first available upgrade he or she might be forced to transfer to a different domicile or forgo the first available upgrade opportunity?" If you look further down the same thread, you will see how our union president explains that this will not be the case.

So what is the answer?
I've read through the LOA for the first of many times, and I don't quite understand it. Is the trick to use the "domicle lock wavier"? It seems as if with this LOA, a junior pilot will get a Captain award over a more senior pilot as long as the junior pilot is willing to move to the domicle associated with that Captain award.

 

[tk855]

So what is the answer?
I've read through the LOA for the first of many times, and I don't quite understand it. Is the trick to use the "domicle lock wavier"? It seems as if with this LOA, a junior pilot will get a Captain award over a more senior pilot as long as the junior pilot is willing to move to the domicle associated with that Captain award.

I am still waiting for "official" clarification on the subject, but our union President makes it quite clear on the union board that this is not the case, that a pilot will have to switch domiciles in order to take the first available upgrade opportunity. The captain vacancy bids that are posted now do not specify an aircraft and domicile, and as I understand it, neither will they in the future. I believe that the LOA will allow domiciled pilots to 1) change domiciles as their seniority will allow, or 2) upgrade to captain and switch domiciles if their seniority will allow it. It definitely is not worded the best, so I am just going off of the limited information B.O. has posted and waiting to hear back from my P2P rep.

 

[notaNJApilot]

The examples in the LOA led me to believe that postings will be made with Aircraft, rank, and domicile. I can't imagine this LOA forcing a pilot to move in order to receive an upgrade, but it seems like the pilot might have to wait longer for that upgrade to happen in his current domicile, unless he uses the domicile lock wavier...what else would the wavier be used for?

 

[tk855]

I don't know for sure, you bring up a good point with the domicile lock waiver. Like I said, I don't understand this LOA completely and I am waiting for answers also. I interpreted Olson's post on the union board in a way that you would not have to change domiciles in order to take the first available upgrade.

 

[CastofThousands]

1) A pilot may stay in their initially assigned new hire domicile and upgrade at the first opportunity. The pilot will be awarded the most preferred aircraft their seniority will hold based on their preferred standing bid - fist, second, third, etc.

2) A pilot may transition to a new domicile when an opening at a more preferred domicile is offered in the pilots current fleet and seat.

3) A pilot may "swap" domiciles with any pilot in the same fleet and seat at anytime.

No pilots will incur a restriction on upgrade opportunities based on a domicile assignment whether it be their initial new hire domicile or a domicile a pilot transitions into. The aircraft bids remain system wide bids and will be awarded solely on seniority, regardless of domicile.

I hope this is helpful,