NJA Captains do your F'ing job and take care of your FO's

[doylehargraves]

Mr Highspeedflyer,

you freely admit you fly under a direct violation of FAR 91.13, careless and reckless operation of an aircraft.

When did I say this??? Your comment has no merit bro. And, for the 2nd time, after you have put words out of my mouth, I HAVE NEVER FLOWN FATIGUED.

What makes you believe that we "should do it a couple of times a year because we can"? It is a provision in our contract which protects us.

You made my point for me exactly. Thank you.

No hard feelings here guys, I'm just saying that the original post he made here is BS and, if you're having to call in fatigue that much at Netjets, why don't you get in your next contract to limit your duty day to 8 hours.

 

[gunfyter]

why don't you get in your next contract to limit your duty day to 8 hours.

Why so many?

 

[Diesel]

8 don't you think thats a little much.

We need to have 6 hour days like Europe.

I'm just saying that the original post he made here is BS and, if you're having to call in fatigue that much at Netjets,

I called in fatigued 3 times in one tour. I guess I'm a *************************. Oh well thats just fine with me. Its a job not an ego stroker.

 

[swampfan]

As an FO, I have called fatigued for me and the captain.....twice. I have been here a little over a year. I didn't ask if I could call in, I just let the captain know what I was doing (that I was tired), and I called it. Not hard at all. I don't need a captain to tell me not to fly tired and make a smoking hole in the ground. This too is part of my job.

 

[hammer2]

I'm fatigued.

 

[HiSpeedFlyer]

I've been flying fractional for 5 years. Never called in fatigue, and trust me, I've had my share of 14 hour days and 16 hour days. -Guilty as charged......as long as they were consecutive..thats pushing it Bro, IMHO. I did the min rest overnights after a 12 hr duty day in the 121 world as a young pup, and that was 8 hrs of rest...yikes... amazed i didnt kill myself nor others.What you are really saying is that,with all your experiences at netjets ,no one goes that long without calling in fatigued. That is a rarity, Our company works us hard sometimes, the hotels are too loud sometimes, sometimes you just cant sleep in the TEB embassy...= fatigued. See ya in 14 hrs.I mean, you actually say that no one goes 11 months without doing it. To me, that's pathetic.Its a rarity...I dont look for it yet I have had to do it, reference the Amateur porn star tryout posted earlier, trust me 3 hrs sleep after a 13 hr day followed by a scheduled 13 hr day was not happening.I thought you guys had it easy at netjets? That's all you talk about is how good it is over there; are you now saying that they work everyone so hard that fatigue is a problem across the board? Cry me a river.

We do have easier than most, Mr.Hargraves, more tools at our disposal.....more ways to get the job done safely, more job security than most, and =FATIGUED Furthermore, especially the ability to say "no mas" when it could affect the safe outcome of the flight. Period.

Now I'm fatigued from carrying this argument on with you all day. Do you think my wife will let me call in Fatigued from all the housework to be done tomorrow? I doubt it, too..... G'night all.

 

[say again]

If you're fatigued, call in!! I really don't see what the big debate is about. And if a company keeps track, well maybe they should wake up and see the schedules the pilots are flying (it can be tough, I know). Those that say suck it up, I say never. Statistics show that I shouldn't suck it up and fly, and one thing for sure is that Im not gonna become another statistic for something like this. I have called in numerous times being fatigued, along with my crew, and will not hesitate the next.

 

[hydrarkt]

I agree with everything except the sentence in bold. This is exactly the attitude we have to teach the F/O's to ignore. Calling in fatigued IS NOT undermining the captain. It's ENHANCING safety, for the captain too. A fatigue call should not be looked at as harming anyone. I try very hard to teach my IOE's about this.

Ithe new job.

I didn't mean to imply that an FO calling in fatigued is undermining the Captain.. bad choice of words on my part. I meant to imply that I can understand how an FO on IOE will hesitate to call in fatigued because he will feel that he is undermining the cpt. I agree that they shouldn't feel that way. I always tell them not to think that way. But in reality, a probation FO will tread lightly.

 

[say again]

We're all professionals here (believe it or not) and adults. I don't need someone telling me how I feel, if Im fatigued...well I call in!! I can understand some feeling intimidated about calling, but IT should not be like that. Not only is it your a$$, but everyone's as well.