NJ or CS

[CE750Driver]

Forgot to say, Bogusart, nice seeing you back. That last arse rape management gave you must have went septic. Did the penecilin help?

Anyway, heres lookin at my W2 kid.

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[DBCOOPER]

CE750 - CS wasn't interested in the X b/c it's not a good money maker. I know the head of Cessna A/C sales in the Southeast.....he told me personally that anyone operating the X has to fly it 1,800 hrs a year to break even in a fractional world. He went on to say that NJ avg's around 1,400. They are maintanance nightmares, everyone knows that. The Citation X is a bad ash airplane for sure, it's fast and it looks cool with those big ole' motors...but it isn't a profitable aircraft. Sov. on the other hand is a perfect airplane and CS is planning on getting as many as they can sell to owners.....

For you guys that keep saying NJ is better b/c of their size, wake up. Jesus people, look at the history of aviation on that one. Doesn't mean a darn thing....in fact, often the bigger operations are the crappier ones expecially on the customer service side.

Unions are good for protection only (a good thing). Other than that, the more you ask for..the more you will dig your own hole, it always happens eventually. If you ever worked for a major or select regional you know that first hand. Things at CS are ok enough to avoid a union currently, but I wouldn't be opposed to it if need be. Have to wait on that, but bashing us b/c we don't have a union now is idiotic.....then again, you have probably never worked for a company that treats you well so you're just plain ignorant.

CS is a great place to work, i upgraded in less than a year and make darn good money for just finishing year 2. I also live in the city that I WANT TO LIVE IN.....the other reason I chose CS over NJ. Commuting to a fractional job without jumpseat/CASS is for the birds....why would anyone want to do that?? You guys got your money and benefits, but you SCREWED the newhires on that one, no question about it.

Not saying NJ is bad at all here, just defending the b.s. said about my own company.

 

[gunfyter]

The X is the biggest money maker in the Fleet....

 

[Guitar Guy]

I know the head of Cessna A/C sales in the Southeast.....he told me personally that anyone operating the X has to fly it 1,800 hrs a year to break even in a fractional world. He went on to say that NJ avg's around 1,400.

It seems to me that it wouldn't depend necessarily just on hours flown but rather the money being generated by the airframe. If the owners and cardholders are paying the right prices, the airplane could be profitable at a comparatively low amount of flight hours.

It's rather like how some airlines don't charge enough for their seats and hope to make up for the lack of revenue by filling up the plane.

 

[DBCOOPER]

Problem is, the airplane isn't making money when it's sitting at the service center. So, now the X owner can't get his ride b/c of its reliability....now NJ is upgrading the guy to a more expensive a/c that he isn't paying for. The X is purely there for show...."I own the fastest plane in the sky, blah, blah.." CS did a cost analysis WITH CESSNA....and found it to be NOT PROFITABLE!!! Think "Concorde". As i said though, it is a sweet looking ride. No disputing that....

 

[skiandsurf]

Problem is, the airplane isn't making money when it's sitting at the service center. So, now the X owner can't get his ride b/c of its reliability....now NJ is upgrading the guy to a more expensive a/c that he isn't paying for. The X is purely there for show...."I own the fastest plane in the sky, blah, blah.." CS did a cost analysis WITH CESSNA....and found it to be NOT PROFITABLE!!! Think "Concorde". As i said though, it is a sweet looking ride. No disputing that....

This is a great ploy by NJs. Sell him the cheaper X, put him into a GIV. When his contract is up, he renews into the GIV. See how this all works. Can CS sell him a GIV?

I think this is why the B400 fleet is growing. This is the "bait". Once they bite, give the guy a free upgrade. Guess which one he will buy next time? The more bait, the more bites.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Problem is, the airplane isn't making money when it's sitting at the service center.

I don't know how your company charges, but NetJets has not only an initial buy-in for an owner, but also a monthly management fee. Then there is an additional fee for occupied hours. So while I would agree that an OTS airplane isn't in and of itself productive, that same aircraft is generating the MMF and has produced a buy-in. Even for a cardholder, just having the X in our fleet has generated interest and perhaps sealed a purchase of a Marquis Card.

 

[gunfyter]

Problem is, the airplane isn't making money when it's sitting at the service center. So, now the X owner can't get his ride b/c of its reliability....now NJ is upgrading the guy to a more expensive a/c that he isn't paying for. The X is purely there for show...."I own the fastest plane in the sky, blah, blah.." CS did a cost analysis WITH CESSNA....and found it to be NOT PROFITABLE!!! Think "Concorde". As i said though, it is a sweet looking ride. No disputing that....

I think that cost analysis included don't piss off the largest buyer of Citations by getting X's.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Commuting to a fractional job without jumpseat/CASS is for the birds....why would anyone want to do that?? You guys got your money and benefits, but you SCREWED the newhires on that one, no question about it.

Hahha. Watever dude. We approved a contract that substantially improved the entire industry. CS pilots benefited too if I recall.

Newhires need to do homework before coming to work here, period.

Is the company to blame or us?

Newhires beware of NJA. Domiciles suck.

Enjoy your pay raise too. You're welcome.:beer:

 

[skiandsurf]

Newhires beware of NJA. Domiciles suck.

Lucky for me, I live in domicile and the company has to pay for my parking. Runs about $120/week or $240/month.