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"No one is going to catch us. We have had dumb competitors in the past and they bleed. We've got more blood than they've got."​


-WB-​

From what I know... I would be happy at CS. A good company. I believe that I am better off to be where I am though.​

NJ is building a Global Network that nobody else can build.... At least NONE of the other existing players. In this endeaver... our competition is NOBODY. "Nobody is going to catch us."

The issues of pay and quality of life for pilots has been resolved in our favor thanks to a Strong Union. Looking at posts from yrs back is good Historical information ... but that ship has sailed... No one is going to catch us now.​
 
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blueridge71 said:
I came from the regionals and CS is, without a doubt, better than the regionals I worked for. Even the non-aviation companies that I've worked for havn't treated me as well.

Your experience may have been different.
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The problem with your statement is you are not willing to tell the truth on this board. Thats OK neither am I. But at least be a man about it and admit it. Experience my rear, you can't possibly tell me that what we have been going thru and the lack of a response from mgt. is beeing treated well. I tell you what. you saty here, you enjoy kissing a$$ and come talk to me in about 2 years.
 
Both companies are good. NJ is a more mature company, so they have a few extra perks. I'm on my fourth year with CS and love the flying. Management is still experimenting with different ideas to make the company more efficient. They take our input very seriously and if we don't like something, it usually gets changed with time. As for the future, I can't wait to see where we are in 10 years. No company is perfect, but I truly can say I'm happy with CS and like some people on here think I'm not afraid to speak the truth on FlightInfo.
Most people would be happy with either choice. If you want a more mature company go with NJ. If you want to get in on ground level and upgrade fast go to CS. Good luck!
 
If you want free crew meals, go with NutJets. If you want a better quality of life, go with CitationShares. BTW, you WILL have to pay the useless union dues if you go with NJ, not a wise investment at all. Just my 2 cents.
 
Humphreybogart said:
If you want free crew meals, go with NutJets. If you want a better quality of life, go with CitationShares. BTW, you WILL have to pay the useless union dues if you go with NJ, not a wise investment at all. Just my 2 cents.
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Yeah they are useless until you start comparing W2's then you understand why you pay those union dues.
 
Humphreybogart said:
If you want free crew meals, go with NutJets. If you want a better quality of life, go with CitationShares. BTW, you WILL have to pay the useless union dues if you go with NJ, not a wise investment at all. Just my 2 cents.
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booger, how wise is paying for medical insurance, and not having a 401K.
 
Booger on the wall....

Humphreybogart said:
If you want free crew meals, go with NutJets. If you want a better quality of life, go with CitationShares. BTW, you WILL have to pay the useless union dues if you go with NJ, not a wise investment at all. Just my 2 cents.
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Why not?

Union dues are a tax write off for one.

Secondly, Union dues allowed us to achieve a 60% pay raise for me and Booger himself. You're welcome Booger.

Union dues have secured:

-representation for me on a bad day
-millions in supplemental life insurance for me and my family
-superior health and dental benees
-401K with 50% match
-7n7 off for those who want it
-aircraft and company training on days that I am scheduled to work, not my days off.

Should I continue?

Booger, booger.
 
Humphreybogart said:
If you want free crew meals, go with NutJets. If you want a better quality of life, go with CitationShares.
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Translation: CitationShares makes you pay for your own crew meals. Pretty weak.


BTW, you WILL have to pay the useless union dues if you go with NJ, not a wise investment at all. Just my 2 cents.
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I made back my whole month's union dues in overtime just today, thanks to my union contract's provisions for overtime pay on long duty days. How much extra do you make on a 14-hour day versus, say, a 12-hour day?

Those union dues are a drop in the bucket compared to the returns they allow us to negotiate. You'd be bitching about a $1000 winning lotto ticket, because you had to pay a dollar for the ticket.
 
I would go with NJ on this one. I believe CS will become for Cessna what Flex is for Bombardier. A marketing tool that they will allow to expand for a bit then keep at a small size.

If CS were serious about competing for market share, they would have had the X's online and cut off additional deliveries of both the X and the Soverign to NJ. They have done nothing but try to sell them more. BTW when the Cit 12 is developed, I'm betting NJ and not CS will fly them.

Just my two cents though.

Wanna build time and move on out of fractionals, CS.
Wanna career, NJ.
 

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