NJ or CS

[skiandsurf]

Problem is, the airplane isn't making money when it's sitting at the service center. So, now the X owner can't get his ride b/c of its reliability....now NJ is upgrading the guy to a more expensive a/c that he isn't paying for. The X is purely there for show...."I own the fastest plane in the sky, blah, blah.." CS did a cost analysis WITH CESSNA....and found it to be NOT PROFITABLE!!! Think "Concorde". As i said though, it is a sweet looking ride. No disputing that....

This is a great ploy by NJs. Sell him the cheaper X, put him into a GIV. When his contract is up, he renews into the GIV. See how this all works. Can CS sell him a GIV?

I think this is why the B400 fleet is growing. This is the "bait". Once they bite, give the guy a free upgrade. Guess which one he will buy next time? The more bait, the more bites.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Problem is, the airplane isn't making money when it's sitting at the service center.

I don't know how your company charges, but NetJets has not only an initial buy-in for an owner, but also a monthly management fee. Then there is an additional fee for occupied hours. So while I would agree that an OTS airplane isn't in and of itself productive, that same aircraft is generating the MMF and has produced a buy-in. Even for a cardholder, just having the X in our fleet has generated interest and perhaps sealed a purchase of a Marquis Card.

 

[gunfyter]

Problem is, the airplane isn't making money when it's sitting at the service center. So, now the X owner can't get his ride b/c of its reliability....now NJ is upgrading the guy to a more expensive a/c that he isn't paying for. The X is purely there for show...."I own the fastest plane in the sky, blah, blah.." CS did a cost analysis WITH CESSNA....and found it to be NOT PROFITABLE!!! Think "Concorde". As i said though, it is a sweet looking ride. No disputing that....

I think that cost analysis included don't piss off the largest buyer of Citations by getting X's.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Commuting to a fractional job without jumpseat/CASS is for the birds....why would anyone want to do that?? You guys got your money and benefits, but you SCREWED the newhires on that one, no question about it.

Hahha. Watever dude. We approved a contract that substantially improved the entire industry. CS pilots benefited too if I recall.

Newhires need to do homework before coming to work here, period.

Is the company to blame or us?

Newhires beware of NJA. Domiciles suck.

Enjoy your pay raise too. You're welcome.:beer:

 

[skiandsurf]

Newhires beware of NJA. Domiciles suck.

Lucky for me, I live in domicile and the company has to pay for my parking. Runs about $120/week or $240/month.

 

[Ultra Grump]

That is the one good thing about being in a domicile.

 

[NJAowner]

I think this is why the B400 fleet is growing. This is the "bait". Once they bite, give the guy a free upgrade. Guess which one he will buy next time? The more bait, the more bites.

Guys, "bait and switch" is when you advertise the cheap price and then it is unavailable and sell a more expensive product. The B400 and Ultra fleet is what gives people their first taste of private aviation -- the most addictive thing known to the traveling man. One addicted, you want a plane with movies, standup cabin, longer ranger, room for friends and family. Especially in this post 9/11 world, once you fly private you never want to go back.

Admit it, even you pilots don't like to airline anymore.

Fly safe.

 

[jonjuan]

I think this is why the B400 fleet is growing. This is the "bait". Once they bite, give the guy a free upgrade. Guess which one he will buy next time? The more bait, the more bites.

Guys, "bait and switch" is when you advertise the cheap price and then it is unavailable and sell a more expensive product. The B400 and Ultra fleet is what gives people their first taste of private aviation -- the most addictive thing known to the traveling man. One addicted, you want a plane with movies, standup cabin, longer ranger, room for friends and family. Especially in this post 9/11 world, once you fly private you never want to go back.

Admit it, even you pilots don't like to airline anymore.

Fly safe.

Actually, bait and switch is buying a more expensive, newer 400XP and delivering a slower, more antiquated Ultra as they are considered comparable. Isn't the Ultra the recovery aircraft for the 400? How often do the CXs recover for the G200s?

 

[acaTerry]

I think this is why the B400 fleet is growing. This is the "bait". Once they bite, give the guy a free upgrade. Guess which one he will buy next time? The more bait, the more bites.

Guys, "bait and switch" is when you advertise the cheap price and then it is unavailable and sell a more expensive product. The B400 and Ultra fleet is what gives people their first taste of private aviation -- the most addictive thing known to the traveling man. One addicted, you want a plane with movies, standup cabin, longer ranger, room for friends and family. Especially in this post 9/11 world, once you fly private you never want to go back.

Admit it, even you pilots don't like to airline anymore.

Fly safe.

Hey man, I like that little Beechjunk, er...jet. And heck yes, I admit it...I HATE airlining. It's the worst part of the job hands down.
Maybe I'll see you in my little 400 if you ever leave that Ultra! Or have you swapped to something bigger? (I haven't seen you here in a while). Either way good to see you in here again.

Terry

 

[On Your Six]

XLS vs. XL for both NJA and CS

For both NJA and CS, what percentage of your XL fleet is now XLS vs. original XL? Are the fleets expected to be just XLS any time soon? I got a good look at an XLS last week - pretty nice.

I know the NJA pilots are paid a bit extra for differences between the two. Does CS have a similar arrangement or does it not matter?

 

[hammer2]

What a waste of conversation!!! We all know Lears and Challengers rule the wild blue yonder.

 

[hammer2]

What a waste of conversation!!! We all know Lears and Challengers rule the wild blue yonder.

I know I know More work Less Pay!

 

[NJA bound]

We all just want to fly the Falcon

 

[Guitar Guy]

Admit it, even you pilots don't like to airline anymore.

Fly safe.

Amen... on both statements!

 

[Stinkbug]

Admit it, even you pilots don't like to airline anymore.

Fly safe.

The miles are nice though...