New US Startup Orders 65 Airbuses

[Captain X]

great. another Airbus give-away to flood the U.S. market. just what the current airlines need. artificially low prices to squeeze profits away. good luck getting a foothold in the U.S. from Port Columbus Int'l Airport.

Lower Airbus prices = Lower Boeing prices which in turn create lower costs for US airlines in general so they don't have to declare the need for lower costs from employees.

 

[JetFumes]

Doesn't SWA and US Airways operate out of CMH, if so Skybus is toast. Still, might be a good way to get current if you have been out of work for a while........

 

[Frequency]

2 of the people that started GoJet went over to help start Skybus, my bet is that it will be the same type of operation. They will help other GoJet pilots to get on to "fly an Airbus" at low rates and start their parasitic infection into the LCC market.

 

[poydras]

I wonder if they are trying to imitate the Ryanair formula from Europe - fly to cheaper satellite airports outside the primary cities and reduce service levels to keep costs low....

Let' s see, Ryan pays a Senir FO (In EU they have junior fo less than 1500 TT ) based in UK 5.500 euros per month x 1. 27 (rate) is 6985 AFTER TAXES. Europe base (ie Paris) 4.500 EURos
Upgrade 2-3 years (1st year Cpt. UK based 114.000 USD AFter Taxes).

4-6 legs per day 85-95 hrs line (sometines only 2 legs per day max 2 hrs. 30 mins).

No overnights

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

When do they plan on hiring line pilots and any idea of what the mins will be?

 

[Old School 737]

If you can bet that it will not even get off the ground, count me in I need to make some money!

On another note has anyone got info on PROJECTROAM? I thought they were going to be flying a few years ago?

 

[markminus100]

The pay figure quoted to me at an AIRinc circle jerk was $85 an hour for a Check Airman - I can hardly imagine how low line pilot pay will be.

There is an airline already based in CMH that pays their Check Airmen more than $85/hr.

It's called Chautauqua. Wow, I can't believe the prospected pay is that low.

 

[iwannaflyCAL]

These guys were at AIRINC back in 2005...or maybe 04?..guy speaking during the morning session said guys backing it used to work at ryanair and southwest. It seems they were supposed to start up in late 06.

He said they were going to try the ryanair concept here in the states. He actually promised us the pilots would be home every night. I figured what he really meant was they were so friggin cheap, they didn't want to pay for hotels for the crews. I remember thinkin that any airline that was that cheap wasn't in a big hurry to pay pilots alot. I don't know if this is true, but I also heard that the ryan air guys have same deal, but if they actually do have to stay somewhere, due to maint. or wx delays etc, they HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN HOTEL ROOMS!!

pretty interesting presentation, but it still gave me the willies....if this flies, where does it end?

 

[Champ42272]

iwannaflyCAL, it doesn't end until these guys lose their shirts on this deal and then all the smarta$$ MBA students figure out that you can't make money in the ultra low cost airline business (whatever that is).

Someone will alway try to invent a better mousetrap, but I would prefer not to be a mouse on this one.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Champ42272

 

[Travis Jr]

I have also heard that there will be few/no overnights. Their president, Ken Gile, used to be the Director of Flight Ops and chief pilot at Southwest. From what I heard, he's a pretty standup guy. Hopefully, he brought some of that "employee first" attitude from WN and it will carry over in the pay rates.

 

[Draginass]

I have also heard that there will be few/no overnights. Their president, Ken Gile, used to be the Director of Flight Ops and chief pilot at Southwest. From what I heard, he's a pretty standup guy. Hopefully, he brought some of that "employee first" attitude from WN and it will carry over in the pay rates.

Yea, probably $60 an hour for a Capt, maybe 10 days off a month, and STFU, fly, and don't complain.

 

[Lear70]

The pay figure quoted to me at an AIRinc circle jerk was $85 an hour for a Check Airman - I can hardly imagine how low line pilot pay will be. Before I get flamed, I only talked to them 'cause the hiring chick was pretty hot.

Heh heh... you think so, huh?

I stopped by at the Air, Inc in ATL in early Jan this year when I was working for PCL and they had a booth; I wasn't especially impressed, but dropped a resume and told them I'd be interested if the CA pay was going to be decent and I could get hired into the CA's seat, then they quoted that figure and I said something about "Good luck with that." and mosied on over to the airTran table next door.

They did send me a personal thank-you letter in the mail that was actually tailored to me, my resume, and our talk and personally signed which I thought was a nice touch and I kept it for giggles, but then again I keep everything I've ever sent out as a memento to just how difficult this career is so when my kids decide they want to be a pilot, I can show them how much sh*t I went through and watch them graduate med school later on.

I didn't think she was that hot, but I'm a little biased, my wife is smokin'!

Incidentally, the pay sucks the big one, and I'm not talking a cohiba... But there are literally THOUSANDS of regional pilots out there who will max out at $85-90 an hour at their airline and a max pay range of $100 an hour or so will sound pretty good to someone who is beginning to get worried about making it to a major or wants to use them as a stepping stone.

Like someone said, the line will probably be out the door and around the block (towards the closest Starbuck's of course).

 

[LJDRVR]

I wonder if they were able to cut a deal where the bankruptcy lawyers are included in the costs of the Arbii?

LCC startup+weak/ill-defined market+seat oversaturation=6 months or less.

 

[millhouse21]

I wonder if DT has already voted in the teamsters to represent the pilots? I mean, one or two management pilots is enough to start a union and negotiate a contract, right?

 

[Patriot328]

Flyi learned the hard way that 2-3 transcon flights per day per A319 is not profitable using super-low fares.......

FlyI also learned that a sh1tload of frequency on empty airplanes is also a good way to blow through some cash. It'll be interesting to see what happens with this airline.

 

[njcapt]

Heh heh... you think so, huh?

Well, you have to consider the competition in the room. Given that, she was a total hottie.

 

[Lear70]

Well, you have to consider the competition in the room. Given that, she was a total hottie.

VERY true... LOL

 

[cjdriver]

I can just hear the investors at the vc meeting, "don't worry, we can get all the pilots we need for almost nothing, they'll be stepping all over each other for the job".
Line up boys.