New US Startup Orders 65 Airbuses

[Soverytired]

No one seems to have mentioned the fact that (please correct me if wrong) Ryanair is THE most profitable airline on the planet. They are making a lot of money and they continue to grow. Not a bad business model to follow, if you ask me.

Spiff

True, if you are major shareholder or a CEO with a nice compensation package with a golden parachute.

Pilots . . . not so much. Best data I could find was that Ryanair pilots make about 30k per year as FO's, Captains TOP OUT around 90k.

I'd much rather see another Southwest . . .great work rules, great salary, and consistent profitability. Unfortunately, the LCC of the future dosen't give a crap about employees (or passengers if they can get away with it), just CEO pay and stock price.

 

[belchfire]

Airbusses, huh...did they ever get that thing with the nose wheel figured out? How about that 380...more over budget and more delayed...starting to sound like a military contract for that thing!

Booohahahahahaha...if they wanted to succeed they would be ordering 73-7's!

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

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True, if you are major shareholder or a CEO with a nice compensation package with a golden parachute.

Pilots . . . not so much. Best data I could find was that Ryanair pilots make about 30k per year as FO's, Captains TOP OUT around 90k.

I'd much rather see another Southwest . . .great work rules, great salary, and consistent profitability. Unfortunately, the LCC of the future dosen't give a crap about employees (or passengers if they can get away with it), just CEO pay and stock price.

Southwest Pilots were not always so highly compensated. In the early days their pay was lower than the legacy carriers. They still to this day do not have a retirement plan, other than a 401k. It wasn't until the mid-90's, when legacy airline pilots began realizing that Southwest was taking over the world, that they (legacy airline pilots) to some extent stopped looking down their noses at Southwest Pilots.

If you expect to have top dollar pay at a startup airline then you are either very naive or very "thought-challenged."

I can't speak for pay and benefits at Ryanair. The laws of the marketplace WILL eventually have an effect there. Workers WILL realize that the company can afford to pay more in terms of salary, benfits, and/or profit sharing and WILL eventually demand their "share."

At Skybus you have to get the airline off the ground and established - don't you? As an employee for a startup you take a risk, not unlike an investment risk. You sell your services at a discount early on in the hopes that there is a return down the road.

Let's hope that Skybus management models the pay and working conditions of Southwest - for management and employees. A key member of their management is retired Southwest.

 

[Shrek]

Oh ok it is alright to undercut the industry just for a little while then. Ya know - JUST to get the airline started...............hilarious.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Southwest Pilots were not always so highly compensated. In the early days their pay was lower than the legacy carriers. They still to this day do not have a retirement plan, other than a 401k. It wasn't until the mid-90's, when legacy airline pilots began realizing that Southwest was taking over the world, that they (legacy airline pilots) to some extent stopped looking down their noses at Southwest Pilots.

No retirement plan but a 401k with a dollar for dollar match up to 7.6%. What have those retirement plans at the Legacys done for those pilots lately?? My guess is that the SWA pilots retiring in the near future walk away with millions more than 30 year legacy drivers. Pension plans are a dinosaur. If the MEC's at the Legacys are smart, they'll negotiate a kick ass 401k program in thier next contract(s). Not sure how smart they are though.

Mr. I.

 

[Soverytired]

If you expect to have top dollar pay at a startup airline then you are either very naive or very "thought-challenged."

Both actually! WHO TOLD YOU?!?!?!?!? :nuts:

I realize staying lean has it's place in starting up in a compeitive market with razor thin profit margins. But this strategy hasn't worked as well as hoped for JetBlue, which was also started by a former Southwest V.P.

As to hoping RyanAir pilots would start rallying and get "their share" after profitabily was demonstrated . . . well, let's talk Mesa, shall we? Insanely profitable for how many quarters now? 12? 15? We're talking some quarters over $60 million AFTER TAXES. Now, do you see that company talking about:

• "Sharing the Wealth" with some salary and work improvements, bonuses and profit sharing plans, and increasing the 401K contributions (not the miserly .5% they kicked up either)? Putting that into writing and avoiding a protracted contract fight with labor and a possible strike with the flight attendants next year, and with the pilots a few years later?

or

• Follow, bend, or break current labor contracts to eke out slightly higher profits? How about raising the cost of health care, and then reducing the amount of LIFETIME benifits to new hires to a pathetic $25,000? Using contract negotiations to seek further cost concession with labor groups? Hey, the last thing this company needs is employee's sticking around too long and costing Mesa $$$.

That "sharing the weath" only works if you have good managers (aka, Skywest, Southwest, Continental, American). Not so good at other schools of management (Ryanair). I think Skybus smells like the latter.

IMHO.

 

[TDK90]

True, if you are major shareholder or a CEO with a nice compensation package with a golden parachute.

Pilots . . . not so much. Best data I could find was that Ryanair pilots make about 30k per year as FO's, Captains TOP OUT around 90k.

I'd much rather see another Southwest . . .great work rules, great salary, and consistent profitability. Unfortunately, the LCC of the future dosen't give a crap about employees (or passengers if they can get away with it), just CEO pay and stock price.

Not so...straight from their website...

"1. Outstanding Earnings Potential

Ryanair Pilots are recognised as the best paid short haul pilots in Europe. Senior pilots in Ryanair have excellent remuneration packages as follows:


Captains

Up to £100,000 - UK Based = 190,710.62 USD

Up to €130,000 - EU Based = 165,893.61 USD

First Officers (1,500 hrs)

Up to £70,000 - 133,514.92 USD

Up to €80,000 - 102,094.47 USD


At Ryanair there are no seniority lists and there are no complicated salary scales, you can expect to reach these amounts in 3 – 5 years, with more if you take on a line training role.

 

[Soverytired]

Not so...straight from their website...

".

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/about.php?sec=careers&ref=10002

Yikes! Not too shabby, and you're right . . this ain't bad, ain't bad AT ALL. Profit sharing, 5 day on/4 days off, no planned overnights, direct entry captains, and you can be based in BREMEN!

(ok, Bremen isn't so great).

I stand corrected, Ryanair isn't all bad. But I don't see Skybus following the same ticket. But now that I've been wrong once . . . . :0

Hell, I'd apply, but you need a type, and I don't even know what a JAR/EU license is.

 

[swordfish]

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/about.php?sec=careers&ref=10002

Yikes! Not too shabby, and you're right . . this ain't bad, ain't bad AT ALL. Profit sharing, 5 day on/4 days off, no planned overnights, direct entry captains, and you can be based in BREMEN!

(ok, Bremen isn't so great).

I stand corrected, Ryanair isn't all bad. But I don't see Skybus following the same ticket. But now that I've been wrong once . . . . :0

Hell, I'd apply, but you need a type, and I don't even know what a JAR/EU license is.

Skybus management is comprised of Gojet pilots. TF is Director of ops, Director of safety is RP and 4 of the 9 check airman’s that have been hired are former check airman’s from Gojet…

swordfish

 

[pilotbrain]

Actually the head of Labor Relations for GJ just bailed for Skybus......he is a checkairman there now.

Wonder how well the GoJet future contract will look like now?

Good Luck GoJet PILOTS.......LOL

Wait i thought that gojet was the last place any gojet pilot would work. LOL


btw GH, lp Just got hired at swa
MP at FDX......

 

[Shrek]

Even if you ALL get jobs elsewhere it STILL doesn't excuse you from what you have done...........good luck sleeping at night - I know you probably do.

 

[TDK90]

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/about.php?sec=careers&ref=10002

Yikes! Not too shabby, and you're right . . this ain't bad, ain't bad AT ALL. Profit sharing, 5 day on/4 days off, no planned overnights, direct entry captains, and you can be based in BREMEN!

(ok, Bremen isn't so great).

I stand corrected, Ryanair isn't all bad. But I don't see Skybus following the same ticket. But now that I've been wrong once . . . . :0

Hell, I'd apply, but you need a type, and I don't even know what a JAR/EU license is.

Heh...consider yourself fortunate that you don't have to face the whole JAR/EU licence stuff, just as I consider myself fortunate to be able to fly on this side of the pond.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

http://alaskalas.com/skybus.jpg

 

[oceandude]

SHREK you are such a moron! Enough said!

 

[OPECJet]

Do a little research on the treatment Ryanair pilots get. It ain't too good.....

 

[Motown]

Do a little research on the treatment Ryanair pilots get. It ain't too good.....

I admit that I don't know anything more about RyanAir than what I read here... but it doesn't sound so bad to me. US-$150,000 for Capt in 3-5 years, US-$100,000 for FO's, Scheduled home every night, 5 on/4 off with each 5 day period being all early shows or all late shows, stock sharing, etc.

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/about.php?sec=careers&ref=10002

Careers

Pilot Recruitment

We are Europe’s largest low fares airline with 107 Boeing 737s and firm orders for a further 143 new Boeing 737-800s. With 25 of these aircraft arriving in the next 12 months we are inviting online applications for rated and non-rated Captains and First Officers.

What’s on offer – 5 reasons to become a Ryanair Pilot

1. Outstanding Earnings Potential
Ryanair Pilots are recognised as the best paid short haul pilots in Europe. Senior pilots in Ryanair have excellent remuneration packages as follows:

UK Eurozone
Captains Up to £100,000 Up to €130,000
First Officers (1,500 hrs) Up to £70,000 Up to €80,000

At Ryanair there are no seniority lists and there are no complicated salary scales, you can expect to reach these amounts in 3 – 5 years, with more if you take on a line training role.
2. Fixed Roster Pattern
Ryanair Pilots enjoy a stable 5 on, 4 off roster pattern comprising a week of early shifts followed by a week of late shifts. This offers our Pilots fixed days off and an ability to plan their time off which is unique in aviation. Rosters are published 4 weeks in advance.
3. Home every night
At Ryanair there are no planned overnights. If you are based at Rome-Ciampino you will start and end your day at Rome-Ciampino, barring of course technical problems or exceptional circumstances. Combined with our stable roster pattern this delivers a unique quality of life for Ryanair pilots.
4. Unrivalled Career Progression
With our aircraft deliveries and expansion plans first officers can expect to enter the command evaluation process within three years. We are also currently recruiting for Direct Entry Fast Track Command positions; first officers with more than 3,000 total hours and 500 hours on type can apply for a fast track command position, you can enter the command evaluation process after 6 months flying as a Ryanair First Officer. We also have Line Training / TRE / TRI positions available.
5. Share Options Scheme
We believe that our pilots should share in the success of the company and that’s why we have operated a share options scheme which has so far delivered individual gains of over €250,000 to Ryanair pilots since we floated on the Stock Exchange in 1997.
Bases

We will have vacancies at all 15 of our bases throughout Europe as well as two new bases which are due to be announced this summer. Our current bases are as follows:

• London-Stansted
• Dublin
• Frankfurt-Hahn
• Glasgow-Prestwick
• Rome-Ciampino
• London-Luton
• Shannon
• Brussels-Charleroi
• Stockholm-Skavsta
• Milan-Bergamo
• Madrid
• Barcelona-Girona
• Liverpool
• Cork
• Pisa-Florence
• East Midlands
• Marseille Provence
• Bremen

The Recruitment Process

The first step is to apply online (links below). Applicants whose experience and qualifications meet our requirements will be contacted within 5 working days to progress their application.
Suitable applicants will be invited to participate in a recruitment day at our training facility at Nottingham East Midlands Airport. Recruitment days are held every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.
Recruitment days

The Recruitment day commences at 08:30 with up to ten Pilots of all experience levels assessed on any given day.
The day begins with an introduction to Ryanair and our Recruitment team. Pilots can then expect:

• A pre-simulator briefing
• Simulator Assessment in a B737-200 simulator – 45 minutes as both pilot flying and PNF. We assess basic handling skills, CRM and flight management.
• Simulator debriefing
• Technical Assessment – 45 minutes assessing your technical knowledge on your current / previous aircraft type(s)
• Personnel Interview – Approx 45 minutes to convince us of your suitability to join Ryanair. This is your opportunity to convince us that you are the sort of person who will thrive in an environment where hard work and effort are rewarded.

All applicants who attend our Recruitment day will be contacted by phone within 24 hours with feedback; be it positive or negative.
Those who emerge successful from our Recruitment process will be offered employment with Ryanair or a place on an appropriate type rating course.
Our Requirements

Ideally you should have a JAR or EU licence and you must speak fluent English.
737 rated pilots should have a minimum of 500 hours on type.
Successful non-rated First Officers will have to acquire a 737-800 rating with a Ryanair approved training organisation. Follow the link below for details of approved training organisations.
Ryanair will support work permit applications for 737 rated Captains. Non-rated Captains and First Officers must have the unrestricted right to live and work in the EU.
Apply online

If you meet our requirements and you think Ryanair is for you then you should apply online. Before completing your application you need to choose one of the categories below which best matches your background:
RankTypeHours RequirementLink
CaptainB737500+ hrs in command on typeClick here
Medium Jet500+ hrs in command on typeClick here
First OfficerB737500+ hrs on typeClick here
JAR 25 aircraft1,500 hrs on a JAR 25 aircraftClick Here
CadetFixed Wing200 hrsClick here
Medium Jets:

• F100
• BAe 146
• Airbus
• Boeings (non 737)
• McDonnell Douglas
• Bac 1-11

If you are a Captain who does not meet the criteria for a command position you may apply for a position as an FO and then apply for a command upgrade after 6 months (as long as you have 3,000 total hours including 500 on type at that time).

Ryanair is an Equal Opportunities Employer