New US Airways pilots want share of profit

[WickedPissa]

What an A$$! What is a real major? Is it the old US Air that could not survive on its own? Everybody chooses an airline large or small based on all kinds of traits. Me, I choose AWA because it was a west coast carrier. Crappy? Maybe, but I did in the end choose to go there. Just like all the US guys choose to go to US. Did I get lucky? Or more appropriately COULD I be lucky if this deal works out? Yeah! You bet!

As far as the dues thing let's all just realize that "I paid my dues" is nothing more that a whinning-crying-temper-tantrum-because-somebody-else-made-a-better-decision-then-me tiff. If you were at SWA would you be crying about the dues you paid? No! Frankly I could not give a squirt of pi$$ for your dues. I'll pay mine somewhere along the way. And guess what, I have no intention of charging you for them...!

Have a great day!!!!

You called me an A with a couple dollar signs, yet it seems as if your first paragraph agreed with me.

 

[WickedPissa]

I'll be honest. Maybe I was talking about junior guys at AWA who were hired in the past couple years. The kind of guy throughout the industry who applied to Fedex, UPS, American, United, Northwest, Delta, USAir, etc. when they were doing well and hiring, and at the time had to settle for JetBlue, America West, Valuejet, and to some extent SWA. Now as fate has it, most of these guys are fortunate. They should be lucky to have fallen into a pretty good position these days.

It just chaps my a with some dollar signs that these are some of the guys saying to tack those bastards at the bottom of the list.

They are all hippocrites. (if I spelled it wrong like some Greek philosopher, it was unintended).

 

[WickedPissa]

These are some of the guys who got the America West interview call, and in the interview were asked why they want to work there......

"Well I have always dreamed of working for an airline that was bankrupt in 1991. And as far as being a start up low cost carrier in 1983 that will add to the fate of bringing my fellow pilots salaries down over time, it is like a dream come true!"

 

[vetrider]

How many of you America West guys had in applications to go to the real majors prior to 2001? Now times have changed, you think you are a great carrier that should staple USAir guys to the bottom?
The oldtimers (most of the senoirity list these days) at USAirways paid their dues. Not the junior America West group who worked for a crappy airline all these years and got to be affiliated with a real one.

Let me edit that I'm not talking about the guys at AWA that have been there for the long haul. I'm talking about all the others who were looking at something better than they settled for.

I never lifted a finger to get out of AWA even while everyone laughed at us over the years, all because I liked it. What makes AAA any more a "real" airline? Please spare me your answer and shove it.

 

[vetrider]

These are some of the guys who got the America West interview call, and in the interview were asked why they want to work there......

"Well I have always dreamed of working for an airline that was bankrupt in 1991. And as far as being a start up low cost carrier in 1983 that will add to the fate of bringing my fellow pilots salaries down over time, it is like a dream come true!"

By your own logic, why the heck are the furloughees even worrying about coming back. Shouldn't they be where the grass is greener?

 

[WickedPissa]

At least you inherited USAir colors and got rid of your Dan Marino to Mark Duper Miami Dolphins get up.

Any comments on my last post?

 

[WickedPissa]

By your own logic, why the heck are the furloughees even worrying about coming back. Shouldn't they be where the grass is greener?

You lost me.

What do USAir furloughees have to do with a guy being interviewed at AWA ?

And yes, the grass is greener at the new USAirways than where some of the furloughed guys ended up.

 

[vetrider]

You lost me.

What do USAir furloughees have to do with a guy being interviewed at AWA ?

Nothing. Since the pay and benefits are so low these days, why would such supreme aviators as those who worked for a "real" airline such as previous USairways want to contiunue to "lower" the bar. Should they not hold out for FedEx since doing anything else would be lowering the pay and benefits for enveryone? Thats what I meant, even though its probably still clear as mud.

I don't mean that to put anyone down, I just get my back up a little bit when people belittle AWA pilots as being losers who couldn't get on anywhere else. I don't know if I could have or not, it was moot for me because I never tried.

Not everyone who wants to can get into Harvard, does that mean they should not go to college at all?

 

[WickedPissa]

Nothing. Since the pay and benefits are so low these days, why would such supreme aviators as those who worked for a "real" airline such as previous USairways want to contiunue to "lower" the bar. Should they not hold out for FedEx since doing anything else would be lowering the pay and benefits for enveryone?

This conversation goes back further than this post. I'm talking about AWA guys who think they should be higher on an integrated list than a guy who has been at USAir even before AWA existed in 82-83.

And since you ask, it only makes sense that everybody who was hired at USAirways in the early 90's and furloughed should be more senior than some newhire commuter guy hired in the last couple years.

 

[vetrider]

This conversation goes back further than this post. I'm talking about AWA guys who think they should be higher on an integrated list than a guy who has been at USAir even before AWA existed in 82-83.

I won't argue that point, some may, but I won't.

 

[WickedPissa]

To get back to the original news article, I hope the combined USAirways/AWA gets as much as they can as far as contracts and money from management. With all the industrywide givebacks, it would be nice to see some reward for the pilots like us.

 

[vetrider]

To get back to the original news article, I hope the combined USAirways/AWA gets as much as they can as far as contracts and money from management. With all the industrywide givebacks, it would be nice to see some reward for the pilots like us.

Now were talkin!

 

[Falconjet]

To get back to the original news article, I hope the combined USAirways/AWA gets as much as they can as far as contracts and money from management. With all the industrywide givebacks, it would be nice to see some reward for the pilots like us.

What, do you have a mouse in your pocket?

FJ

 

[TWA Dude]

Maybe I was talking about junior guys at AWA who were hired in the past couple years.

I was hired here two years ago. I guess I'm one of those wet-behind-the-ears newbies. Don't worry; I know you weren't referring to me.

Lemme just tell you that there are no fair-minded pilots at AWA who wish to staple the active USA guys. Our official position is some kind of relative seniority that upholds the ALPA Merger Policy directives.

We ALL deserve better than what we have. We just need to remember that it's the Company which owes us and not other pilots.

 

[Crzipilot]

TWA, Let me add, that most of the furloughees I talk to have the same mindset. They don't feel they should throw the AWA out on the street with a recall back, or even intervene on what should have been your normal career progression. At the same time, most feel that with the conditions that are there, some of our normal career transgressions shouldn't be ignored either. ya I Know US was weeks away from liquidation, and that might be a fact, but yet most of us have heard that song for 10 yrs. Before that, previous carrier I heard the same song for 10 yrs prior to that. Us has been the carrier of choice to go TU for the past 20 years, but yet it managed to dodge that bullet and continue on, as it is now in a form or another. There is no reason why both of the jr groups (jr being 15-18 yrs at US) expectations come to a close fruitition with the the current merger. If this merger didn't happen, possibly US woulda found another way, who knows, except for those at the top, I can guarntee that those wouldn't divulge such information, knowing that by witholding it, they gain the upper hand by being able to split the two groups and gain the typical conquer and divide advantage the pilots these days give up.
There are prob. equal numbers on both sides that would like to go east/west, besides that, we all pretty much have a common desire. To get on with our careers and share in the fruits that mangement is already eating. But alas, I've had too much idealistic thinking, as I'm reminded daily, watching pilots try and screw each other, over simple things as jumpseats or the last seat open for non-rev, etc etc.....
Bottom line, a third party is going to assist in how we are going to lay in bed together, and if both sides don't look beyond their noses, Management is going to laugh all the way to the bank AGAIN....