New SkyWest Pay Package Riding Coattails of ASA/XJT

[CFIT]

My guess is this one will pass, there is more money and other provisions that make it a bit better.

Happy about the insurance, in that there will be two plans available.

Voted no on the last one, will vote yes (so far) on this one.

 

[Newpilot2b]

A few posts ago some moron said that they worked hard for there contract. Wait what....What do you mean by "work hard"? What did you do that I don't do everyday at my job? Give 2% to your Union? I am not anti-Unon and I am not pro-union. Becuase both solve problems and create problems. I think this is aperfect example of who 2 companies can compete and survive and give a product that is consistant to the publice. 1 Union 1 not.

 

[BID]

you guys think a non-union airline can have an industry leading, "contract"?


I don't think so. SkyWest will do what it always does tuck in behind a union airline that worked hard to get it's contract. yes, it takes work to do that.

 

[Nevets]

A few posts ago some moron said that they worked hard for there contract. Wait what....What do you mean by "work hard"? What did you do that I don't do everyday at my job? Give 2% to your Union? I am not anti-Unon and I am not pro-union. Becuase both solve problems and create problems. I think this is aperfect example of who 2 companies can compete and survive and give a product that is consistant to the publice. 1 Union 1 not.

I think they meant hard work in negotiating our contracts. You don't do that at Skywest, which has been made obvious by this last pay proposal.

 

[vtech]

What "regional" other than Skywest has Jepp Airside Service? It's been nice to leave 30 pounds off the bag hook since that started. Does that count for anything?

1.95% x $656,224.98 = $12,796.39 (That's what I've saved in dues since I've been at a non union carrier)

Y'all have a good time tellin' me what a bad deal I've got workin' at Skywest.

Too bad I don't get that ALPA magazine every month, I guess.

Sorry. Gotta' run. I've gotta' get on a deadhead (100% scheduled time pay). Oops. Forgot. It's minimum daily guarantee. That'll be 3:45 . . . No, wait, 3:57 after the new agreement is approved. That sucks, NOT!

P.S. I honestly don't know if that $656K included all the stock options and bonus money over the years.

 

[LazyLightnin']

what a chode

 

[damnflyboy]

Somewhere in front of his computer monitor, JA is smiling.

 

[crj567]

What "regional" other than Skywest has Jepp Airside Service? It's been nice to leave 30 pounds off the bag hook since that started. Does that count for anything?

1.95% x $656,224.98 = $12,796.39 (That's what I've saved in dues since I've been at a non union carrier)

Y'all have a good time tellin' me what a bad deal I've got workin' at Skywest.

Too bad I don't get that ALPA magazine every month, I guess.

Sorry. Gotta' run. I've gotta' get on a deadhead (100% scheduled time pay). Oops. Forgot. It's minimum daily guarantee. That'll be 3:45 . . . No, wait, 3:57 after the new agreement is approved. That sucks, NOT!

P.S. I honestly don't know if that $656K included all the stock options and bonus money over the years.

Raise that bar...

-Karma is a bitch.

 

[Jetjockey]

What "regional" other than Skywest has Jepp Airside Service? It's been nice to leave 30 pounds off the bag hook since that started. Does that count for anything?

1.95% x $656,224.98 = $12,796.39 (That's what I've saved in dues since I've been at a non union carrier)

Y'all have a good time tellin' me what a bad deal I've got workin' at Skywest.

Too bad I don't get that ALPA magazine every month, I guess.

Sorry. Gotta' run. I've gotta' get on a deadhead (100% scheduled time pay). Oops. Forgot. It's minimum daily guarantee. That'll be 3:45 . . . No, wait, 3:57 after the new agreement is approved. That sucks, NOT!

P.S. I honestly don't know if that $656K included all the stock options and bonus money over the years.

What prevents all that from being taken away? No contract to protect any of it. Wait until Jerry decides on a whim to shift somethings around to his other "subsidiaries" . His profit and bottom line remains unchanged, yours............not so much.

Good luck in this industry without a contract. Even Jerry has a contract. Sucker.

 

[crj567]

Good luck in this industry without a contract. Even Jerry has a contract. Sucker.

Very, Very True!

 

[dojetdriver]

What "regional" other than Skywest has Jepp Airside Service? It's been nice to leave 30 pounds off the bag hook since that started. Does that count for anything?

1.95% x $656,224.98 = $12,796.39 (That's what I've saved in dues since I've been at a non union carrier)

Y'all have a good time tellin' me what a bad deal I've got workin' at Skywest.

Too bad I don't get that ALPA magazine every month, I guess.

Sorry. Gotta' run. I've gotta' get on a deadhead (100% scheduled time pay). Oops. Forgot. It's minimum daily guarantee. That'll be 3:45 . . . No, wait, 3:57 after the new agreement is approved. That sucks, NOT!

P.S. I honestly don't know if that $656K included all the stock options and bonus money over the years.

And just imagine how much MORE you could have made had you guys NOT agreed to fly the 700/900 for 200 pay for the time that you did? As well as NOT let that 18 month pay freeze go 36.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Good luck in this industry without a contract.. Sucker.

That line is getting pretty old.... I have heard that for over 15 years and still havent seen the benefits that ALPA would have brought the OO guys...

 

[Gr82Aviate]

What "regional" other than Skywest has Jepp Airside Service? It's been nice to leave 30 pounds off the bag hook since that started. Does that count for anything?

1.95% x $656,224.98 = $12,796.39 (That's what I've saved in dues since I've been at a non union carrier)

Y'all have a good time tellin' me what a bad deal I've got workin' at Skywest.

Too bad I don't get that ALPA magazine every month, I guess.

Sorry. Gotta' run. I've gotta' get on a deadhead (100% scheduled time pay). Oops. Forgot. It's minimum daily guarantee. That'll be 3:45 . . . No, wait, 3:57 after the new agreement is approved. That sucks, NOT!

P.S. I honestly don't know if that $656K included all the stock options and bonus money over the years.

I'd be willing to bet the kool-aid you're carrying around weighs more than the Jepps did!!

 

[Raoul Duke]

What contract?? Sky west guys, let's all get on one list and then we will talk, you guys have no contract.......

They have no contract but it is better than yours. . .

 

[XPOO]

Are the ASA and ExpressJet employees at a higher boarding priority on their own aircraft than their mainline counterparts? Didn't need a union here at SkyWest to get that nice little luxury.

 

[Flyerdan]

What prevents all that from being taken away? No contract to protect any of it. Wait until Jerry decides on a whim to shift somethings around to his other "subsidiaries" . His profit and bottom line remains unchanged, yours............not so much.

Good luck in this industry without a contract. Even Jerry has a contract. Sucker.

Whenever a thread deteriorates to this level I just substitute the words "blankey" for union and "pacifier" for contract. Then the emotion and irrational attachments make much more sense.

 

[nimtz]

And just imagine how much MORE you could have made had you guys NOT agreed to fly the 700/900 for 200 pay for the time that you did? As well as NOT let that 18 month pay freeze go 36.

Ahem! You cats gutted any significant override at the 'small jet' level with that stunt. But getting air side Jeps sounds like an awesome trade off though. :laugh: As I've said b4, the debacle in growth of Uncle Jerry's replacement circus has peaked.

 

[Jetjockey]

That line is getting pretty old.... I have heard that for over 15 years and still havent seen the benefits that ALPA would have brought the OO guys...

A contract isn't the savior against all that ails the industry. Nothing can counter poor management decisions. A contract is sort of like a pre-nuptial agreement. Sure, Skywest has been growing and times have been good. When things turn down, or times get tough you will wish you had some sort of legal written agreement to fall back on.

Jerry has held that carrot just far enough in front of your nose to keep you working very hard. He has done a skillful job of keeping pilots unorganized by luring you into a false sense of security by keeping your pay a few percentage points below par. Don't think it can't change.

When it gets ugly, and it probably will, you will want to have unity with ALL your fellow pilots, and a good contract to protect what you've earned. Without that, you are even more disposable.

One list, one voice.

 

[Nevets]

Bottom line is that Skywest pilots are undermining the contract negotiations of their fellow employees. XJT took a paycut because of them and now this. I hope that at some point a majority of them will start to contribute instead of dragging us down.

 

[mxaviator]

Bottom line is that Skywest pilots are undermining the contract negotiations of their fellow employees. XJT took a paycut because of them and now this. I hope that at some point a majority of them will start to contribute instead of dragging us down.

Question, How did they cause a paycut at XJT? I doubt that the majority will get to that point anytime soon.

 

[OCP]

Are the ASA and ExpressJet employees at a higher boarding priority on their own aircraft than their mainline counterparts? Didn't need a union here at SkyWest to get that nice little luxury.

Don't know about Express, but at ASA yes. But that has nothing to do with a contract between pilots and Skywest Inc.

 

[Baronman]

Question, How did they cause a paycut at XJT? I doubt that the majority will get to that point anytime soon.

Ah yes....a little history. Back when SKWY first proposed purchasing XJT in that underhanded deal orchestrated by CAL, your Uncle Jerry clearly stated in front of our MEC that we'd have to become more "cost competitive" in order to maintain our flying rather than transfer those aircraft to Skywest Airlines. Oh, that's in addition to the hundreds of furloughs. In the end the BOD felt that staying independent was best yet had to match the CPA that Skywest was gunning for, basically a bare-bones agreement with CAL.

CAL had whipsawed XJT against Skywest, in doing so they got a lower cost CPA which ended up putting the screws to the XJT pilots.

Seriously man..wake the F up to this industry.

 

[Baronman]

I have two questions for any Skywest pilots...

1. What is the benefit of merging two airlines, say Delta-Northwest or ASA/XJT when under one holding company?

2. Why does Skywest management see a benefit for merging ASA/XJT yet not merging ASA/XJT/Skywest?

 

[Skaff]

I have two questions for any Skywest pilots...

1. What is the benefit of merging two airlines, say Delta-Northwest or ASA/XJT when under one holding company?

2. Why does Skywest management see a benefit for merging ASA/XJT yet not merging ASA/XJT/Skywest?

I have a question for you. Why are you asking questions like that to pilots.

 

[Baronman]

I have a question for you. Why are you asking questions like that to pilots.

Are you people reading this?! This is his answer, another question.

Do you find it absurd to question our management's actions? Personally I ask myself those questions because managements actions impact my life through my salary and QOL. So please take a stab at those two questions, get inside management's head...they are the people that sit on the other side of the negotiation table (in my case).

 

[damnflyboy]

Here's a proposition for a fun activity:

SkyWest pilots...Talk Atlantic Southeast/ExpressJet pilots into mimicking the SkyWest non-union structure. Would that be better for SkyWest pilots (while INC owns all of us)?

 

[dojetdriver]

And just imagine how much MORE you could have made had you guys NOT agreed to fly the 700/900 for 200 pay for the time that you did? As well as NOT let that 18 month pay freeze go 36.

Ahem! You cats gutted any significant override at the 'small jet' level with that stunt. But getting air side Jeps sounds like an awesome trade off though. :laugh: As I've said b4, the debacle in growth of Uncle Jerry's replacement circus has peaked.

When you say "you cats", who are you referring to?

 

[OCP]

I have two questions for any Skywest pilots...

1. What is the benefit of merging two airlines, say Delta-Northwest or ASA/XJT when under one holding company?

2. Why does Skywest management see a benefit for merging ASA/XJT yet not merging ASA/XJT/Skywest?

1. Reduction of cost structure and overhead from 2 down to 1. (i.e. Mgnt positions etc) Also a much larger buying power for things. Probably a lot more too, but I'm just a pilot.

2. No idea. But they have made very successful moves so far. A guess would be because they can do pretty much anything at any time to Skywest IF they need too.

 

[WAVIT Inbound]

The same ten people using the same 2 arguments. I could go back 5 years and read the same exact arguments I am reading today. Gotta love it.

 

[LazyLightnin']

The title of the thread says it all. Whether you feel that way or not, that's the consensus. Feeloading hippies.