New Rest Rules tomorrow, 12/21/11

[PCL_128]

So, the penalty for exceeding the limit is more time doing paperwork after work that we don't get paid for? Riiiigght.

If the limits are exceeded, we don't have to do all of the paperwork, the company does. They are the ones saddled with all of the reporting requirements.

 

[Turtle21]

Yeah, good luck with telling your chief pilots you needed extra time to brush your teeth and wrap up in your snuggy.

By the way, the airlines aren't GOING to plan less than 9 hours at the hotel. They have to PLAN for at least 10 hours off-duty (which includes the post-flight the night before and pre-flight report the next day). Not too many places that are going to take longer than half an hour each-way to/from the hotel.

I agree the schedules will normally result in at least 9 hours at the hotel.

If circumstances result in a late arrival at the hotel I doubt the chief pilot will require us to check-out 8 hours after check-in, otherwise the accident investigator will find that the chief pilot denied the crew an opportunity for 8 hours sleep.

I really don't think occasional delays will be a big deal. In the last six months I have had to delay a takeoff just a few times for crew rest and each time was only 20 or 30 minutes. The chief pilot never called to discuss it.

Personally I think the "8 hours uninterrupted" is an excellent addition. It isn't some huge windfall of beauty rest. It is simply a reasonable and appropriate amount of sleep.

 

[rudder]

In Canada, the CAR's use the "8 hours prone rest" provision and specifically exclude pre-flight duties, post-flight duties, hotel travel times, and meal times. And while many collective agreements allow for increased minimum rest times on overnights, you will never see scheduling less than 10 hours and more common is an 11 hour minimum. If the company is dumb enough to plan just 10, then be prepared for lots of delayed departures in the a.m.

For years we have watched you guys get 5 hours sleep at the hotel and could not believe that was legal. Guess that will continue for another 2 years

 

[scoreboardII]

If the limits are exceeded, we don't have to do all of the paperwork, the company does. They are the ones saddled with all of the reporting requirements.

Until new section XYZ of the FOM states "and pilots will fill out IR XYZ if they bust the FAA times".

 

[Maria]

The petition is at https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitio...shed-flightcrew-member-duty-and-rest/1LB3x9Nd

Thanks!

 

[Lear70]

Signed.

 

[zonejumper]

Signed.....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

That's because the pairings on the 737 are absolutely horrible. Hopefully SWA will fix them and make them far more efficient.

I must say, you are becoming quite the SWA acolyte!

The new rest/duty rules are based on science, not preferred layover considerations. As it should be.

Science that's rich, more global warming tripe, they took from "science" yhat allowed them to increase the daily flying, and took from vodoo, that which allowed them to keep the rest essentially the same.
You are the same stooge you were when you paid your 20K and became a Gulfstream seat warmer. Those that have never searched PCL's posts , do it is amusing...

 

[atpcliff]

Global Warming, a Spherically shaped Earth, and the Sun as the Center of our Solar System. All scientifically proven ideas that many people could not accept, due to their ideologies. To reject Science is to reject how things function in our universe.

God made our universe to function in certain ways, and no religious or political beliefs will change God's creation.

cliff
YYZ

 

[Tweaker]

The petition is at https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/direct-faa-mandate-all-cargo-airlines-comply-newly-established-flightcrew-member-duty-and-rest/1LB3x9Nd

Thanks!

Done, son!

My first name includes (Obama Sucks). Winning!

 

[Tweaker]

Global Warming, a Spherically shaped Earth, and the Sun as the Center of our Solar System. All scientifically proven ideas that many people could not accept, due to their ideologies. To reject Science is to reject how things function in our universe.

God made our universe to function in certain ways, and no religious or political beliefs will change God's creation.

cliff
YYZ

Ya, then why was it necessary to "massage" the "optics" and the "data" to depict global warming(1990's), cooling (1970's), and climate change (current lie)? Science biased by outcome is not science at all.

Why must scientists who have come to the conclusion that any increase in global temperatures are NOT do to human causes or are NOT entirely harmful or significant OSTRACISED, BANISHED, barred from publishing their hypotesis' by their "peer reviewers" and attempts are made to strip them of their credentials? How is this the scientific method?

You truck in bunk, man.

 

[waveflyer]

Bc those said scientists are very small in numbers and usually cash paychecks that read BP and Chevron.
How is a conflict of interest, science?

Amazing how conservatives have successfully gotten pilots, who fly planes, to disbelieve science bc it doesn't fit their agenda.

 

[Turtle21]

I must say, you are becoming quite the SWA acolyte!






Science that's rich, more global warming tripe, they took from "science" yhat allowed them to increase the daily flying, and took from vodoo, that which allowed them to keep the rest essentially the same.
You are the same stooge you were when you paid your 20K and became a Gulfstream seat warmer. Those that have never searched PCL's posts , do it is amusing...

He is in the running of for #1 ALPA sycophant but usually trails slightly behind Rez. Amusing maybe, but mostly in a pity sort of way.