New NetJet bases?

[RP170]

I spoke with a friend the other day that flys for NetJets. He said that he has heard from people in training classes that they are exploring opening another 20 or so cities as pilot domiciles later this year. Apparently they are telling this to new hires that are currently in class. Has anyone else heard anything similar to this?

 

[brokeflyer]

no.....

 

[imacdog]

They certainly didn't say anything about that during the interview. If you go, plan on five bases until at least the next contract.

 

[hopalong]

I spoke w/ a union rep. who said that nja presented them w/the possibility of opening up some more bases and they said no because of some stipulations.
They said, "HBA for everyone!" May be we won't be waiting for the next round of negotiations afterall. But, definitely plan your life based on the current domicile system.

 

[gunfyter]

The company has the authority to open more Domiciles or HBAs...

They do not need any approval from the Union.

 

[hopalong]

May be they needed approval from the union because of some "stipulation????". I didn't get into any details with him. Could that be the case?

 

[gunfyter]

No.

What they would need approval for is for some concession on our part that has nothing whatever to do with Domiciles or gateways.

Say, I don't know, like messing with our schedules in some fashion maybe?

I would guess... find out what the Scheduling department wants and you will have your answer.

But they are in no way restricted by the CBA --from offering more Domiciles or HBAs to more people.

 

[RP170]

Thanks for the insight. I just received the app and am in the process of getting that sent back in. I currently live in one of the domiciles (CMH) but was curious as to if there was any merit to these rumors.

 

[Cavpilot]

I spoke w/ a union rep. who said that nja presented them w/the possibility of opening up some more bases and they said no because of some stipulations.
They said, "HBA for everyone!" May be we won't be waiting for the next round of negotiations afterall. But, definitely plan your life based on the current domicile system.

Oh boy, here we go again.....

The company does not need any sort of "union approval" to open (or close) new domiciles or HBAs. It is completely, totally 100%, their decision. If you choose to apply to NJA and are offered employment, you will be based in one of five domiciles. Don't count on this changing until the next CBA is inked.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

it was made clear from the man him self during my indoc last month that just the 5 bases will be all til the next contract neg.

 

[greygoose]

it was made clear from the man him self during my indoc last month that just the 5 bases will be all til the next contract neg.

Whos the man?

 

[honeycomb]

Whos the man?

RTS .. thats who.

 

[Diesel]

And this is how a rumor starts.

And this is how a new hire takes a job "thinking" that he will be flying out of an hba in only a matter of time.

And this is how the company keeps getting applicants because "change is just around the corner"

By floating this rumor the company just added another 100 or so applicants to the pool. Smart very smart.

 

[honeycomb]

And this is how a rumor starts.

And this is how a new hire takes a job "thinking" that he will be flying out of an hba in only a matter of time.

And this is how the company keeps getting applicants because "change is just around the corner"

By floating this rumor the company just added another 100 or so applicants to the pool. Smart very smart.

Agreed.

But, as mentioned .... RTS himself (as I was told by my buddy) said that it would not happen.

So, end of rumor.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Didn't RTS first agree to a contract.... then back out.... then agree again?

We're getting G-150's...now we're not.

The pilot's pay is going to bankrupt this Company....Oh, we made 158 million dollar profit.

How do you know management, on all levels, is lying...there lips are moving.

If it ain't written, it doesn't exist...... to coin a phase sooo popular on our web site.

 

[Fozzy]

Say, I don't know, like messing with our schedules in some fashion maybe?

Bingo!! They are fishing. They want something to fix the Domicle mess they caused. Give them nothing. They can fix this whole thing whenever they want. WE don't need to give anything.

Anyways, all rumors.
If you come to NJA, you will not have HBA untill 2010 at the earliest. Don't listen to rumors. Maybe hiring is getting difficult.

 

[SAEflyer]

Well I was in recurrent 4 weeks ago and RTS said they were "exploring many different options" and although it didn't sound promising, he certainly didn't say it wasn't happening. So if you he said otherwise to you, he's already contridicted himself. I definatley think we could see some changes before the next contract. Not certain, but definatley a possibility.

 

[GooseHZ]

as if RTS really gave a Sh$t.....BUT....

if you guys opened 20 or so places that pilots could live....you could shut FLOPS down....i for one as a 6th yr PIC would jump ship so fast it would make the X look slow.....

 

[VVJM265]

Sidebar

Listening to some of the guys in my indoc class who have already jumped from FLOPS, it made me wonder if their management is going to just let it die a slow death. Good luck guys over there!

 

[FLYLOW22]

The company can save itself from Boisture's wonderful RCA/DOM issue with current language.

The company and the Union can engage in bargaining any time they both wish to. Section 6 could begin tomorrow if both sides wished it to. It won't happen though.

If anything, limited bargaining on a narrow group of subjects COULD happen if the leadership is given a clear message from a pilot membership survey that it desires such bargaining.

To date, I have not recieved a survey.

 

[acaTerry]

This reminds me of the discussion and promises for scheduling software....
still not here yet.
Look, all you NJA hopefuls.....it's a good job. But don't come here hoping for what might happen....come here for what is happening now. If there is something you don't like about right now, don't come.

 

[pilotpat]

Look, all you NJA hopefuls.....it's a good job. But don't come here hoping for what might happen....come here for what is happening now. If there is something you don't like about right now, don't come.

Just got my app in the mail today. Took 5 days from sending in my resume. I'm attempting to get the job based on facts TODAY. Whatever comes down the pipeline does. Until then, its still better than what I've been doing for 5 years.

 

[captain dad]

If you don't like it, tough SHIITE!

I have been commuting since day one. Not fun but still better than where I was. Don't like it but, tough shiite.

I have heard the same rumors about more bases. I would like to see it ASAP but don't expect to for a while. I know, in my case, that the company is losing money and useful duty time out of me the way it is now.

Everyone knows this... 19 out of 20 starts are an airline out to meet the plane. 19 out of 20 ends are an airline back to base (in my case dummy flight home). I checked just the cost of airline tickets from my home to the plane and back home at the end of my tour instead of from and to my base. The cost difference to and from my home airport was substantially less than flying out of base. The time savings varies but would be at least the same if not better.

If not increase bases, I think it makes sense on both sides to at least increase to a gateway system. Any major airport with multiple airlines and flights to numerous locations should be automatic. EX SAN, IAD, DEN, MSP, ORD, MWD, ATL, MIA, just to mention a few.

Just something to ponder over for the next couple years.

 

[Correcting]

This rumor would die if people would just read our contract. Here it is, boys and girls, quoted directly from our existing union contract.

13.2(c) Domestic Domicile Openings and Closings

The company may open new Domiciles at its discretion...

So there you have it boys and girls. No negotiations, no "we wanted to but the union said no" bullsheet. It's right there in section 13.2, for everyone to read. If Netjets wanted to open Fargo as a domicile, they could do it tomorrow. If the company really is "negotiating" to open more domicilies, then you can be sure they are doing it because they want to get some other part of the contract changed to be more to their liking.

 

[acaTerry]

Just got my app in the mail today. Took 5 days from sending in my resume. I'm attempting to get the job based on facts TODAY. Whatever comes down the pipeline does. Until then, its still better than what I've been doing for 5 years.

Then you'll be fine. The problem is people coming here based on rumors, then they get pi$$ed and badmouth everything because they got caught with their pants down.
Blame the union. Blame the union. Again everybody....."at its discretion...."

 

[fischman]

Then you'll be fine. The problem is people coming here based on rumors, then they get pi$$ed and badmouth everything because they got caught with their pants down.
Blame the union. Blame the union. Again everybody....."at its discretion...."

Just to be clear. its=company. Not ibt1108

 

[acaTerry]

Just to be clear. its=company. Not ibt1108

exactly what I meant

 

[captain dad]

I came here after the contract. I was and continue to be amazed by the number of pilots that interview, get hired, go through training, and then come to the sad realization of basing and lack of commuting options. This was a major career change for me and my family. I did days of research, phone calls, and more than a few point blank questions at the interview.

I just can't believe someone wouldn't take a little time to get the "real deal" prior to making a potentially life changing career move.

If you are one of these people, you can only blame yourself. Do some research! It is called the internet. I'll even give you a few sources because I am a nice guy.

wikipedia.com, aviationinterviews.com (pay site well worth it), airlinepilotcentral.com (payscales and some current events), netjets.com (DAH!)

PS your welcome:beer: