New Mailing from Leonidas,llc to USAIRWAYS East Pilots"

[charlie2]

Sorry Charlie;
LOA 93 is the contract that you live with until (and if) a new JOINT contract is voted in. We're in the same position with our Contract 2004.

Presently, the ONLY seniority list that has been accepted by LCC is the Nicolau Award. The Nicolau Award meets all of the criteria that was set out by Parker & LCC through the transition agreement. Until such time that Parker gets a "Pass" or is told directly by the courts that the Nic is it.....then the Nicolau Award IS the section 22 with the joint contract.

Here's a question: If Kashier delivers LOA 93 in your favor, exact what stops the company from delaying, stopping, changing the company name, etc.?? That too is final & binding, right?

CB

During negotiations a section can be reopened even after it has been "accepted".

 

[Crzipilot]

It's not YOUR list it is a combined SENIORITY list not a longevity list. Someone should sit down and explain the difference to you.

And perhaps you might make the left seat someday, but that person ahead of you on the nic (which will be the implemented list sooner or later) will still be ahead of you and will check out as captain too and get weekends and holidays off before you and when furlough time comes, they will get downgraded or furloughed AFTER you.

That's how a seniority system works.

Let me know when you get that combined list implemented that you are frothing over........

 

[cactusboy53]

During negotiations a section can be reopened even after it has been "accepted".

You guys keep saying that, like it's true. You can not pick and choose which tenets of the former CBA agreements you deem correct & legal. You are obliged to comply with all tenets.

You have achieved DELAY, only. You have given LCC MILLIONS & MILLIONS of dollars in wage savings on this paper chase. The profit sharing was a drop in the bucket compaired to what we could have achieved 3 years ago.

We will not bend. We will not stop. We will continue to fight the good fight & finish this race. We stand FIRMLY on legal, moral and eithical ground. We are financed (we even have donors from MANY other airlines & even a couple of east pilots). Sorry Charlie.

 

[Bringupthebird]

No one has explained to the east how the first Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement differs from succeeding ones. They are different animals with different goals, rules and outcomes. Once the integration is completed, then the TA rules go away and you are back to the traditional contract negotiations.

Sure you could re-order the entire seniority list down the road a few years, by DOH, Age, alphabetically, whatever you think you could get away with. But rules were established to protect both sides (the filing of Single Carrier status was premature, IMHO and lead to the USAPA progrom). The east just chooses to ignore those rules and figure might makes right.

As you can see, they have no one except their slimy lawyer who agrees with that position.

 

[Rango]

Such optimism. I saw the pamphlet yesterday and its no wonder M. Cleary and D. Mowery are up in arms. The truth has exposed their lies and deceit. The east pilots should be running them Usapa boys outta town. Not a good day for Usapa or its fans.


Loa93:smash: hurts us all.

All this talk about the Leonidas mailing and ID theft is just a diversion for USAPA. That union is a complete failure.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Can someone refresh us on what this dispute is all about?

 

[tomgoodman]

Can someone refresh us on what this dispute is all about?

Better yet, can everyone please refrain from doing so?

 

[reepicheep]

Just watch the Sopranos. Close enough.

 

[Redmeat]

Can someone refresh us on what this dispute is all about?

I believe it's something like..."My dad can beat-up your dad".

Not exactly the same subject matter, but exactly the same maturity level...

 

[Bringupthebird]

Just watch the Sopranos. Close enough.

Except Tony kept his promises!

 

[say again]

Can someone refresh us on what this dispute is all about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Coast_–_West_Coast_hip_hop_rivalry

 

[Carl S.]

More like another attempt by USAPA to try and bankrupt their biggest problem. Like the letter from Cleary to the FBI mailed out today? It was written 11/30/10, how is that FBI response working out? How loud will the noise be when the LOA 93 results come in be? I like USAPA's gulity till proven innocent legal system and their views on freedom of speech that do not follow their views. Germany in the 30's would be proud.

 

[LearLove]

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/sto...y-nos.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm_cat=FREE&cm_ite=NA#

uh-oh spaghetti-o's

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (TheStreet) -- The inadvertent disclosure of 3,000 pilots' social security numbers marks the latest round in the conflict between US Airways'(LCC_) warring pilot groups.

The social security numbers were included in an Excel document that a former chief pilot provided to Leonidas, a group that represents pilots from the former America West, in October 2009.

Initially, Leonidas asked the company for the addresses of pilots who worked for the former US Airways, known as "the east," so that it could distribute a letter laying out its case against the U.S. Airline Pilots Association, the pilot union dominated by east pilots. An investigation began after east pilots questioned why their addresses were shared, particularly with an organization that most of them oppose.
Last month, a review by the airline discovered that the social security numbers were also embedded in the Excel document. The situation has troubled USAPA President Mike Cleary since November, when he first complained that providing addresses was improper.
Now, the airline and the union are debating the impact the inadvertent distribution of the social security numbers may have, as well as the proper response.
In a March 21 letter to pilots, Cleary said the company did not "impose meaningful consequences on those who may have been involved," nor did it act quickly to ensure the security of the information, which also included dates of birth. He said the FBI is investigating, at the union's request. "The company's credibility is in tatters," he said, adding that the union suspects "complicity" and "a cover-up" by US Airways.
In a March 23 letter to pilots, Steve Johnson, US Airways executive vice president and corporate counsel, said the company had retained identity theft protection services through a private company for each pilot for one year. In addition, he said, three pilots, including the former management pilot who released the information, have been placed on leave pending an investigation.
Johnson said the release of social security numbers was "disturbing," but noted "the responsible persons at Leonidas have assured us that they did not know this information existed and our preliminary investigation suggests that no one at Leonidas discovered or accessed that information."


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[Bringupthebird]

Cleary says the company's credibility is in tatters? Now that's a reliable expert on tattered credibility!

Did the Street.com ask Cleary why he hasn't done a better job of unifying the pilot group so that one side doesn't have to oppose the other? You know, the "union" thing and all...

USAPA - We chase geese, both wild and domestic!

 

[cactusboy53]

Cub reporter Reed wrote: Underlying the dispute is the continuing battle over a proposed seniority list, devised by an arbitrator in 2007, that seemed to favor west pilots over east pilots. The battle is slowly winding its way through the courts, delaying efforts to negotiate a new contract that would raise the compensation level of the two pilot groups, both of which are among the lowest in the airline industry.

This clearly expains why the first 517 names on the Nicolau seniority list were that of former AAA pilots! Ted retains his title of USAPA schill with this article.

I think Cleary & Mowrey said it best: "No ALPA integraion arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts....". (US AIRWAVES June/July 2000).

 

[LearLove]

"No ALPA integraion arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts....". (US AIRWAVES June/July 2000).

ring ring, hello, yes this is last decade calling, we want our quote back.

 

[C Festerpuss]

Whoeee!

Whooeee!

Well now, them good Ole boys in Charlotte done gone an filed charges against them Yankees King and Bradford. They is gonna run em off that there Appeals Board. There is a BPR meeting cumin up next week.

I wonner if they sells pop-corn at them meetins....This is better than the circus ......


CLT Domicile Representatives File Charges against USAPA’s Appeals Board Members Bradford and KingCharges against Steve Bradford and Mark KingBy this notice to the USAPA Secretary Treasurer, CLT Domicile Representatives Captain Bill McKee, First Officer Steve Crimi and First Officer DeWitt Ingram, do hereby charge USAPA members Steve Bradford and Mark King with acts "contrary to the best interests of USAPA as an institution or its membership as a whole." (Article VI, Section I., USAPA Constitution and Bylaws)

These charges arise as a result of the ‘Compass Correction Coalition’ document entitled "What is the state of our Union today? In short, it's dreadful!" We believe the Compass Correction Coalition document authored by Bradford and King contains specific declarative statements that represent both slander and libel against individual officers and the association. (Please see evidence below). Clearly this letter emailed to unknown recipients is an effort to harm the association and is contrary to the best interests of USAPA as an institution and its membership as a whole. In addition in this document, Bradford and King proffer support of Jamie Weidner, a participant in the most recent PHL Domicile election. It is our understanding that that Capt. Bradford and Capt. King, serving as USAPA Appeals board members, are preparing a decision on an election appeal by their endorsed candidate Jamie Weidner. Specifically, Weidner has requested the Appeals Board to overturn and re-run the election.

Capt. Bradford and Capt. King have not recused themselves from consideration of the issues associated with the appeal of the PHL election. Considering the fact that Bradford and King have publicly taken a position endorsing the candidacy of Weidner, their failure to recuse themselves is inappropriate. Their refusal to remove themselves from the Appeals Board process represents a conflict of interest and is an act clearly contrary to the best interests of USAPA.

The CLT Domicile Representatives direct the USAPA Secretary-Treasurer to notify Captains Bradford, King, and the Appeals Board that these formal charges are hereby levied as outlined in Article VI of the USAPA Constitution and Bylaws. We request this notice be sent via U.S. certified mail, return receipt requested.

Requested Remedy
1. Captains Bradford and King be found conflicted in the matter of the PHL election appeal filed by a candidate who they have openly endorsed and should be removed from the appeal process and the investigation.
2. Captains Bradford and King be found guilty of violating the USAPA Constitution and By Laws by performing “acts contrary to the best interests of USAPA as an institution or its membership as a whole" (as evidenced below) and should be removed from any further appeals board duties.
Evidence attached on the following page.

 

[cactusboy53]

ring ring, hello, yes this is last decade calling, we want our quote back.

Here's another quote from decades ago:

"We will sell nowhine, before it's time"...............Oh, sorry I meant "wine"
:crying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpj0t2ozPWY

USAPA.......We put the "fun" back in disfunctional!!

 

[Bringupthebird]

When will Cleary be dismissed from office? How can the east pilots allow Charlie Sheen to run their union without it reflecting on their judgement?

Look in the mirror - the East is YOU !

 

[becket]

When will Cleary be dismissed from office? How can the east pilots allow Charlie Sheen to run their union without it reflecting on their judgement?

Look in the mirror - the East is YOU !

I love it!! I hope Cleary never gets kicked out. He's the best thing to happen to Leonidas...next to Lee Semens incompetent legal work.