New Mailing from Leonidas,llc to USAIRWAYS East Pilots"

[charlie2]

Sorry Charlie;
LOA 93 is the contract that you live with until (and if) a new JOINT contract is voted in. We're in the same position with our Contract 2004.

Presently, the ONLY seniority list that has been accepted by LCC is the Nicolau Award. The Nicolau Award meets all of the criteria that was set out by Parker & LCC through the transition agreement. Until such time that Parker gets a "Pass" or is told directly by the courts that the Nic is it.....then the Nicolau Award IS the section 22 with the joint contract.

Here's a question: If Kashier delivers LOA 93 in your favor, exact what stops the company from delaying, stopping, changing the company name, etc.?? That too is final & binding, right?

CB

During negotiations a section can be reopened even after it has been "accepted".

 

[Crzipilot]

It's not YOUR list it is a combined SENIORITY list not a longevity list. Someone should sit down and explain the difference to you.

And perhaps you might make the left seat someday, but that person ahead of you on the nic (which will be the implemented list sooner or later) will still be ahead of you and will check out as captain too and get weekends and holidays off before you and when furlough time comes, they will get downgraded or furloughed AFTER you.

That's how a seniority system works.

Let me know when you get that combined list implemented that you are frothing over........

 

[cactusboy53]

During negotiations a section can be reopened even after it has been "accepted".

You guys keep saying that, like it's true. You can not pick and choose which tenets of the former CBA agreements you deem correct & legal. You are obliged to comply with all tenets.

You have achieved DELAY, only. You have given LCC MILLIONS & MILLIONS of dollars in wage savings on this paper chase. The profit sharing was a drop in the bucket compaired to what we could have achieved 3 years ago.

We will not bend. We will not stop. We will continue to fight the good fight & finish this race. We stand FIRMLY on legal, moral and eithical ground. We are financed (we even have donors from MANY other airlines & even a couple of east pilots). Sorry Charlie.

 

[Bringupthebird]

No one has explained to the east how the first Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement differs from succeeding ones. They are different animals with different goals, rules and outcomes. Once the integration is completed, then the TA rules go away and you are back to the traditional contract negotiations.

Sure you could re-order the entire seniority list down the road a few years, by DOH, Age, alphabetically, whatever you think you could get away with. But rules were established to protect both sides (the filing of Single Carrier status was premature, IMHO and lead to the USAPA progrom). The east just chooses to ignore those rules and figure might makes right.

As you can see, they have no one except their slimy lawyer who agrees with that position.

 

[Rango]

Such optimism. I saw the pamphlet yesterday and its no wonder M. Cleary and D. Mowery are up in arms. The truth has exposed their lies and deceit. The east pilots should be running them Usapa boys outta town. Not a good day for Usapa or its fans.


Loa93:smash: hurts us all.

All this talk about the Leonidas mailing and ID theft is just a diversion for USAPA. That union is a complete failure.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Can someone refresh us on what this dispute is all about?

 

[tomgoodman]

Can someone refresh us on what this dispute is all about?

Better yet, can everyone please refrain from doing so?

 

[reepicheep]

Just watch the Sopranos. Close enough.

 

[Redmeat]

Can someone refresh us on what this dispute is all about?

I believe it's something like..."My dad can beat-up your dad".

Not exactly the same subject matter, but exactly the same maturity level...

 

[Bringupthebird]

Just watch the Sopranos. Close enough.

Except Tony kept his promises!