New Low?

[shamrock]

Is there a difference between paying his share of operating expenses while giving free instruction and splitting the cost of multi rental with someone else?

 

[Mickey]

I know a guy who's owned several high performance A/C and he generally doesn't go to an instructor unless they charge at least $50.00/hr. (most are in the $75.00/hr. range). His point is that the good instructors charge more and they are almost always worth the extra money. He got burned early in his flying by wasting his money on a $28.00/hr. instructor who sat there with his feet flat on the cockpit floor, doing very little instruction while talking about how much time he needed to get hired at the airlines. There is no need to lower the rates if you are a good instuctor.

How much are golf instructors charging these days?
Piano lessons?

I don't know of anyone dying from poorly played piano.

 

[LAXSaabdude]

Looks like he decided to do the ethical thing.

The auction has been ended early.

Not sure if he did it for "ethics", he blamed some kind of error for his ending the auction. He may be revamping the ad to change the 5-hour thing. We'll see.

LAXSaabdude.

 

[CDVdriver]

This guy is too funny for words....or tragic.
I knew the name sounded familiar.
Had the pleasure of flying with him once.
This is what he put on www.airnav.com 2 weeks later (and my reply)
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAPF/EUROPE_AMERICAN#c

Even though the first name is different (he uses both or an abbreviation)
I recognized his face on the pic.
What a total tool....unbelievable, has anybody sent him a link to the thread yet?

 

[sbav8r]

Very good response. I applaud your professional attitude, I would not have been so kind.

 

[Illini Pilot]

well, there is quite a buzz going around pilot training @ u of i...he is a part-time instructor there. everyone was talking about it with and without him. from what he's said, it sounds like he doesn't regret doing it at all, and of course there are a select few instructors bemoaning how its a free nation and they can do whatever they want. however, most people are just laughing at him for doing it.

 

[FlyJordan]

I bought a Seneca and I got my instruction from a 12,000 hour piston pilot who had 1,500 hours in type. Best instructor I ever had. And all for $30.00 per hour, I came out very very well.

 

[FN FAL]

Very good response. I applaud your professional attitude, I would not have been so kind.

Hehehe...I drink to him, someday he'll be seniority number 01 at some regional. Some guys get all the breaks.

 

[FlySacto]

Hey Viper, I just bid a penny on your add. Please don't hold me to it though.

I went all the way to $0.15 and got blown away. I've flown with Viper and will say he's worth every bit of the $0.20 that is the winning bid. Sadly, on my first year FO pay I just can't go beyond that.

FlySacto

 

[Captain Overs]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4563264650


I couldnt' resist. This is my e-bay add.

TOOL!!

 

[Cardinal]

He seems genuinely apologetic. This is is one of two responses I got from him after my little lecture

Thank you very much for your email regarding my multi-engine instruction ad. Somehow, you managed to put a postitive spin on what has turned out to be a horrible mistake.

I was amazed at the number of negative emails I received about this post. I now see how offering free instruction may hurt business for others. My intention in placing the ad was not that I would be stealing any business from another CFI, but rather be encouraging recurrent training to a pilot who may otherwise not fly with an instructor.

I sincerely apologize if I have offended you in any way. I meant no harm, and only thought I had come up with a creative way to get ahead. I certainly did not mean to make waves in the industry. I have removed as many traces of the ad as possible, and in the future will remember my lessons learned today. Thanks again for your email.

Sincerely,

I think the message was conveyed

 

[Metro752]

This guy is too funny for words....or tragic.
I knew the name sounded familiar.
Had the pleasure of flying with him once.
This is what he put on www.airnav.com 2 weeks later (and my reply)
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KAPF/EUROPE_AMERICAN#c

Even though the first name is different (he uses both or an abbreviation)
I recognized his face on the pic.
What a total tool....unbelievable, has anybody sent him a link to the thread yet?

From Anthony Salamone on 11-Jan-2005 I spent a day with Europe-American Aviation and am extremely disappointed with their services. I checked out in a complex airplane with one of their CFI's and made a reservation for rental. When I got in the airplane for rental, the starter malfunctioned and the airplane was grounded. Rather than spend another $130 for a check in an unfamiliar make/model, a different CFI agreed to fly with me. My airplane orientation with this new CFI was none other than a commercial sight-seeing trip. He was pushy, unpleasant, and basically told me what I was to do. I am also a CFI and have not felt like I had less control of a flight since I was a beginning student. I would certainly not recommend Europe-American for flight instruction and would be skeptical of using their aircraft for rental. A quick side-note is a comment about their CFI named Carston. Carston was the CFI who originally gave me the complex airplane check. He was very helpful and my previous comments do not reflect his services.

Response from Bruce A Batelaan of Europe-American Aviation
As the CFI in question I feel compelled to reply. I remember this flight slightly different. Mr Salamone intended to take his mother up in an airplane for the first time. The checkout was scheduled in the Piper Arrow on the 27th Dec 04. Unfortunately the starter malfunctioned once he completed his checkout flight. He asked, but we could not rent him one of our new 172SP's due to no time in type. We mutually agreed on a sightseeing flight with no steep turns or stalls. Mr Salomone had no problems with this. Considering a young low time pilot (260 hrs, even with CFI) some instruction was in order. That seems almost obvious. Mr Salamone seemed to enjoy the flight and appreciate my instruction. Never at any time was there any hint of resentment. I owe Mr Salamone an apology if at any point I was rude, pushy and unpleasant, however that was not the case. I would have appreciated comments during or after the flight, not two weeks later on AirNav.com. To discourage renting from us and to discourage training with us based on one flight and issues is a little immature and frankly, reflects bad on Mr Salamone himself. I hope Mr Salamone has found a job flight instructing and has gained more insight in the workings of a flight school and understanding of checkout and rental requirements.


How does a CFI have no time in a 172? Thats mind boggling.

 

[Metro752]

I'd also like to add, Airnav.com has been deleted and censoring a lot of the comments, and isn't very reliable anymore for this sort of information.

Take GNV for example, University Air isn't even listed. Too many negative comments I suppose.

 

[Illini Pilot]

From Anthony Salamone on 11-Jan-2005 I spent a day with Europe-American Aviation and am extremely disappointed with their services. I checked out in a complex airplane with one of their CFI's and made a reservation for rental. When I got in the airplane for rental, the starter malfunctioned and the airplane was grounded. Rather than spend another $130 for a check in an unfamiliar make/model, a different CFI agreed to fly with me. My airplane orientation with this new CFI was none other than a commercial sight-seeing trip. He was pushy, unpleasant, and basically told me what I was to do. I am also a CFI and have not felt like I had less control of a flight since I was a beginning student. I would certainly not recommend Europe-American for flight instruction and would be skeptical of using their aircraft for rental. A quick side-note is a comment about their CFI named Carston. Carston was the CFI who originally gave me the complex airplane check. He was very helpful and my previous comments do not reflect his services.

Response from Bruce A Batelaan of Europe-American Aviation
As the CFI in question I feel compelled to reply. I remember this flight slightly different. Mr Salamone intended to take his mother up in an airplane for the first time. The checkout was scheduled in the Piper Arrow on the 27th Dec 04. Unfortunately the starter malfunctioned once he completed his checkout flight. He asked, but we could not rent him one of our new 172SP's due to no time in type. We mutually agreed on a sightseeing flight with no steep turns or stalls. Mr Salomone had no problems with this. Considering a young low time pilot (260 hrs, even with CFI) some instruction was in order. That seems almost obvious. Mr Salamone seemed to enjoy the flight and appreciate my instruction. Never at any time was there any hint of resentment. I owe Mr Salamone an apology if at any point I was rude, pushy and unpleasant, however that was not the case. I would have appreciated comments during or after the flight, not two weeks later on AirNav.com. To discourage renting from us and to discourage training with us based on one flight and issues is a little immature and frankly, reflects bad on Mr Salamone himself. I hope Mr Salamone has found a job flight instructing and has gained more insight in the workings of a flight school and understanding of checkout and rental requirements.


How does a CFI have no time in a 172? Thats mind boggling.

you don't fly outside of your aviation program that is all piper...

 

[CDVdriver]

When I asked him if he had any C172 SP time he said NO, just like 1.5 hr 172 M long long time ago.
That doesn't fly (literally) for rental.
It took me a while to ge the reply on AIRNAV' because it was initially too long.
In the longer version it was a little more diplomatic but still the same message.
As a company you actually pay AIRNAV a subscription fee to be mentioned on their pages.
Cpompagnies that don't pay don't get mentioned and therefore don't get comments.
Small fee though.....