New jet blue payscale?

[suupah]

Can someone post the new jet blue payscale? I hear it's pretty good!

 

[spudskier]

Serious? or

 

[linepilot]

When you factor in the LOSS of: healthcare, overtime pay, 1330 trip rigs, productivity, profit sharing, A321 differential, joinder, 3a, annual pay review, the addition of dozens of loop-holes, the possibility of fragmentation, and a fleet plan that has everyone flying 20% more passengers for ZERO in additional pay then the new rates are just a marketing tool devised by jetblew's third party experts.

Jetblew ALWAYS finds a way to reach around and get back what they tell you they're giving you. In the end, it is zero cost to them.

And now they want to dress you up like a flight attendant.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Look at average pay rates in the industry and subtract at least 10%. Benefits, marginal at best.

 

[$$$4nothin]

Can someone post the new jet blue payscale? I hear it's pretty good!

Add 13% to all of the pay scales in APC except 1st year pay. No pay increase for first year pilots. However you also need to take away the 78 hour trigger for time and a half. Time and a half no longer exists in the form it used to. So all flying is strait time pay. Time and a half exist at the company's discretion now and also for selling PTO back. For example a 2nd year A-320 FO was making $72/hr is now making $81.36/hr. This is for 2014 only. 2015 and 2016 are 3.5% raises each year. These pay rates will apply to all new hires, but will not necessarily apply to current pilots. If you don't sign this current pea change and want to keep the 78 hour premium trigger and the old work rules you can. Old pea is better for some. New pea is better for some.

 

[Blue Dude]

What's really pathetic is that even 13% isn't enough of an incentive to sign. Should be a slam dunk, right? But no! For many pilots, at least 13% is being taken away with some of the above mentioned items so the "raise" is actually a net loss!

Face it, no voters, the only way to stop the bleeding is with a CBA. At least with that methodology we'll be able to weigh pros and cons for ourselves and even -gasp- have real input and vote on them. It beats passively discovering what our new package is going to be and being told to take it or leave it, with none of that messy listening or negotiating to impede JetBlue's wise paternal guardianship of our careers.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Hourly pay rates mean nothing without proper work rules to back them up. Guess what......the company is currently rewriting the work rules using FAR 117 as the excuse to circumvent pilot approval (not that they need it anyway). And when are the new work rules being rolled out for all to see? After everyone signs or declines the new PEA (new pay rates). So we as a pilot group have to decide our fate without knowing how the work rules will affect our decision. Fair? I think not. Gotta love the direct relationship.

For the love of God, please help us vote in a union so we can end this experiment gone wrong! Santa? Can you hear me?

 

[suupah]

Thanks. Apparently I opened a hugh j ass can of worms. Sorry bout that, just wanted to see rates were to get an idea what Spirit is going to be looking at in 2015

 

[Smarta$$]

Current rates times +13%. Jan 2015 +3.5%. Jan 2016 +3.5%

 

[Blue Dude]

In short, the top A320 rate will be $189.00 in 2014, $195.62 in 2015 and $202.47 in 2016. Hopefully we'll be well into CBA talks before any more pay discussions or takeaways are evident, so this is it from us for a while.

 

[Flyby1206]

A319/A320/A321-

Captain Rate/Hour/Year (effective January 1st of each year set forth below)
Years of Service 2014 2015 2016

Year 1: $145.66 $145.66 $145.66
Year 2: $166.68 $172.51 $178.55
Year 3: $168.78 $174.68 $180.80
Year 4: $170.92 $176.91 $183.10
Year 5: $173.09 $179.15 $185.42
Year 6: $175.29 $181.42 $187.77
Year 7: $177.48 $183.69 $190.12
Year 8: $179.74 $186.03 $192.54
Year 9: $182.02 $188.39 $194.98
Year 10: $184.33 $190.78 $197.45
Year 11: $186.65 $193.19 $199.95
Years 12 and above: $189.00 $195.62 $202.47

First Officer Rate/Hour/Year (effective January 1st of each year set forth below)

Years of Service 2014 2015 2016

Year 1: $49.56 $49.56 $49.56
Year 2: $81.68 $84.54 $87.49
Year 3: $96.21 $99.58 $103.06
Year 4: $104.28 $107.93 $111.70
Year 5: $109.05 $112.86 $116.81
Year 6: $113.93 $117.91 $122.04
Year 7: $117.16 $121.26 $125.50
Year 8: $118.63 $122.78 $127.08
Year 9: $121.95 $126.22 $130.64
Year 10: $123.51 $127.83 $132.31
Year 11: $126.94 $131.39 $135.99
Years 12 and above: $128.55 $133.05 $137.70


E190-

Captain Rate/Hour/Year (effective January 1st of each year set forth below)

Years of Service 2014 2015 2016

Year 1: $131.10 $131.10 $131.10
Year 2: $150.02 $155.27 $160.70
Year 3: $151.92 $157.23 $162.74
Year 4: $153.82 $159.20 $164.77
Year 5: $155.78 $161.23 $166.88
Year 6: $157.75 $163.27 $168.98
Year 7: $159.76 $165.35 $171.14
Year 8: $161.77 $167.43 $173.29
Year 9: $163.83 $169.56 $175.50
Year 10: $165.88 $171.69 $177.70
Year 11: $168.01 $173.89 $179.97
Years 12 and above: $170.13 $176.09 $182.25


First Officer Rate/Hour/Year (effective January 1st of each year set forth below)

Years of Service 2014 2015 2016

Year 1: $49.56 $49.56 $49.56
Year 2: $73.52 $76.09 $78.75
Year 3: $86.60 $89.63 $92.77
Year 4: $93.84 $97.12 $100.52
Year 5: $98.15 $101.59 $105.14
Year 6: $102.54 $106.12 $109.84
Year 7: $105.43 $109.12 $112.94
Year 8: $106.79 $110.52 $114.39
Year 9: $109.77 $113.61 $117.59
Year 10: $111.15 $115.04 $119.06
Year 11: $114.24 $118.24 $122.38
Years 12 and above: $115.67 $119.72 $123.91

 

[suupah]

Thanks!! Appreciate it. Good luck to you guys!

 

[linepilot]

If you have a family, you need to subtract $6000 per year for healthcare in a good year. YOU are responsible for your entire medical cost at jetblew.

 

[$$$4nothin]

If you have a family, you need to subtract $6000 per year for healthcare in a good year. YOU are responsible for your entire medical cost at jetblew.

Again, this is not true. You really need to start dealing in facts vs. trying to do whatever it is you are trying to do. Also you should work on your reading and comprehension skills. The guy asking the question obviously works at Spirit. He just wants to know our pay rates so he can compare them to what Spirit should expect in the future. Our health care is not an issue for him

 

[FurloughedAgain]

If you were junior at jB and had the chance to go to SWA would you go? (considering the long upgrade time and merger strife at SWA)

 

[$$$4nothin]

If you were junior at jB and had the chance to go to SWA would you go? (considering the long upgrade time and merger strife at SWA)

As of today yes. At the end of 2015 if we are close to a ratified CBA and a 3000 pilot group with most likely a new management team. I don't think so. Gotta make the best decisions you can at the time you have that info though.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I don't have a history of making particularly good decisions in this business. There have been a lot of regrets over the years. Guess I should've added, 40 years old, family, commute from the Midwest (and can't move for about four more years).

 

[pilotpayne]

I don't have a history of making particularly good decisions in this business. There have been a lot of regrets over the years.

If you are looking for movement jetblue.
If you want a known cba/union Southwest.

I will stick with blue, now if major called me( they won't)
I would most likely go.
I think if executed right jetblue can do very well or we fall apart and someone swoops in to pick up what's left.

 

[exagony]

Would you leave an eternal (ie 9+ year and no reasonable outlook to upgrade any time soon) FO position at a fractional to go to JetBlue?

 

[CaptainSpaz]

Thanks. Apparently I opened a hugh j ass can of worms. Sorry bout that, just wanted to see rates were to get an idea what Spirit is going to be looking at in 2015

Don't sweat it, every new thread on this board with JetBlue in the subject line is opening a new huge can of worms.

Try starting a thread titled "JetBlue is against clubbing baby seals" and you will get the same 5 guys telling you that logic clearly dictates that baby seals must die at the hands of humans with clubs and if you don't support that you are a lemming, sheep, tool, shill, etc. If we get a CBA, everyone will have the contractual right to club baby seals.

 

[clickclickboom]

$$$for nothih

Our healthcare cost certainly is a major factor in our take home pay. I understand the original post however many potential applicants dont know, dont realize, or are just blind to the fact that a family plan with a couple minor doctor events can easily skim 13,000 to 15k off someones bottom line.

They need to know before they sign up and realize their child has autism or wife needs surgery

 

[$$$4nothin]

$$$for nothih

Our healthcare cost certainly is a major factor in our take home pay. I understand the original post however many potential applicants dont know, dont realize, or are just blind to the fact that a family plan with a couple minor doctor events can easily skim 13,000 to 15k off someones bottom line.

They need to know before they sign up and realize their child has autism or wife needs surgery

I completely agree. I am all for educating people completely and with as much info as possible. However I conduct all my pro union stance with facts vs. scare style statements. These statements do more to hurt our group of professionals than to help us so I do not tolerate untrue statements. Our only health care option is a disgusting high deductible low coverage option. However saying we have to cover all the cost ourselves is simple untrue.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Would you leave an eternal (ie 9+ year and no reasonable outlook to upgrade any time soon) FO position at a fractional to go to JetBlue?

A lot of comparison would need to be made... Pay, healthcare, all the usual stuff...where do you live, commute issues etc...family concerns....I would not move to a base personally - others do....

 

[johnsonrod]

Would you leave an eternal (ie 9+ year and no reasonable outlook to upgrade any time soon) FO position at a fractional to go to JetBlue?

No. Not unless there was movement on a union. Several other airlines hiring including the legacies. I hear Spirit has hired several fractional pilots recently (CitationAir and Avantair) and upgrade time is short - something like 4-5 years with many pilot bases.

 

[XJohXJ]

.............

Unfortunately, satisfaction is not found at FI.

 

[likeitis]

Could someone give specifics about the health plan? Individual only. Price, deductible, etc. PM if you rather. Thanks in advance.

 

[aewanabe]

Would you leave an eternal (ie 9+ year and no reasonable outlook to upgrade any time soon) FO position at a fractional to go to JetBlue?

Yes, and I'm as pessimistic as most on this board. The caveat being your ability/desire to commute, and your healthcare liabilities (read family). Stating that our medical benefits are obscene is a massive understatement.

 

[pilotpayne]

No. Not unless there was movement on a union. Several other airlines hiring including the legacies. I hear Spirit has hired several fractional pilots recently (CitationAir and Avantair) and upgrade time is short - something like 4-5 years with many pilot bases.

Good thing you didn't get hired at blue.

Get that spirit interview yet?

 

[RideandDrive]

Spirit upgrade is down to 2.5 years and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets shorter.

 

[johnsonrod]

Good thing you didn't get hired at blue.

Get that spirit interview yet?

Working on Spirit along with some interviews at the legacies. I have a few good buddies at Spirit and they are quite happy.