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Should we say it now for Bobbysamd? "Don't PFT, Don't PFT, Don't PFT, Don't PFT, Don't PFT, Don't PFT, Don't PFT, Don't PFT, Don't PFT . . . .

(emphasis added)

Now that you've said it for me, Mr. 46, I don't have to! Thanks for saving me the typing time. And, thanks, too, for the plug!

I'm amazed, and appreciative, at how many people plug my posts. In that regard, Dick Gregory wrote a book and used a common racial pejorative as its title. You know what that pejorative is and I know what it is. Mr. Gregory said he gave his book that title because every time someone used the word his book received a plug! So, I appreciate the promos!

I also remember that while I was in broadcasting there was talk show host whom a lot of people didn't like. They always said, "I cannot stand Mr. **** and his right-wing opinions. I hate him and his program. I wouldn't dare miss his show!"

In any event, welcome to the board. I would only suggest that you study the business thoroughly, receive career counseling, and talk to pilots. Ask them how they reached their career goals. Do all that before you flat-out declare that you do not want to instruct.

Finally, do not say that you would fly for free. You deserve proper pay, as do all pilots. You also deserve respect from your employer(s), as do all pilots. Settle for nothing less.
Best of luck with your plans.

 

[siucavflight]

Jay you dont believe in paying dues.
You got to be joking me. Do you think that once you get your commercial you can just walk into American and tell them that you love flying and want to sit left seat on a 777, or maybe you will be flexiable and agree to be F/O for a few months. Of course you will tell them that you are happy to do the job for free.
Listen you have to put in your dues because every job that you try to get into in civilian aviation has a perspective boss who put in his or her dues, they want to see the same out of their future employees.
One last thing Jay, you do know that you have to be at least 17 to get a pilots liscense right?

 

[Jay]

Jay you dont believe in paying dues.
You got to be joking me. Do you think that once you get your commercial you can just walk into American and tell them that you love flying and want to sit left seat on a 777, or maybe you will be flexiable and agree to be F/O for a few months. Of course you will tell them that you are happy to do the job for free.
Listen you have to put in your dues because every job that you try to get into in civilian aviation has a perspective boss who put in his or her dues, they want to see the same out of their future employees.
One last thing Jay, you do know that you have to be at least 17 to get a pilots liscense right?

I don't know if you checked my profile, but I will be 19 next month. No, I don't think I can just walk on to an airline job with a Comm. license and 80 hours of flight time, but there are other ways to buid time besides instructing for close to nothing or towing banners in northern Manitoba. There ARE companies that hire low-time pilots, and there are airlines that will pay for your training. Sure, I would love to get paid, but I don't fly for the money. If all I cared about is the money, then I wouldn't be flying, I would go into accounting or something.

I don't know why, but everyboday hates me here! I only have three posts, and I have already been cursed out, insulted, and degraded. I am NOT a troll, I'm not looking for a fight, but I will not be treated like this!

P.S. I don't believe in porn, or anything else that degrades women.

 

[PacoPollo]

Jay is Gay.......Not that there is nothing wrong with that..

 

[Riddle momma]

You're too much of a sweetheart. That's not gonna go far in the piloting world. You gotta toughen up!

It's nice that you are doing this for the love of flying, it will surely make training more bearable.

Not instructing because you can't pronounce rs is silly. I had an instructor who stuttered. It took some time to get used to it, but I loved him for trying so hard, and I worked twice as hard to show him he was a good instructor. He loved flying so much he overcame his limitations and set out to share the love of flying with others. Great networking opportunities as an instructor too. You never know who's son/daughter you'll teach, or who you'll give a BFR/IPC to.

Flying for free sounds like a great marketing tool now, but as you step into the real world, where you have to work to earn a living (unless mom and dad are loaded) you will quickly learn the fly for free slogan was nothing more than your naiveness.

There are non-instructing jobs out there, but there are also too many pilots who are looking for those, besides who's gonna be willing to attest to your flying skills in a letter of rec???

I am not too far in my career, but these are things I have learned from personal experience or as tales from experienced pilots. If you can afford to pay for your flight time, great, but you cannot buy experience.

 

[enigma]

Jay, you're being cursed, insulted, and degraded, because you have posted attitudes that insult and degrade OUR PROFESSION. You obviously don't understand that it is people like you, who are willing to fly for free (editorial on my part, not necessicarily intended to be a statement of your exact postition), that bring down working conditions and wages for the rest of us. Of course if you are just flaming, you already know this. If not, you need to think about the longterm consequences of flying for love, not money.

If you just love to fly, then get your CPA and buy yourself a 172. Don't drag the rest of us down with your romanticism.

enigma

 

[Jay]

Jay is Gay.......Not that there is nothing wrong with that..

I'm not gay.

 

[Jay]

If I wanted to get rich, then I wouldn't be in aviation. I would be in accounting, advertising, or charity scams.

I don't think a few comments on a messageboard is going to drive down your wages.

I love flying, is that a crime? Is it neccessary to hate flying to be a professional pilot?

 

[skyking1976]

Hmmmm.....
My Sky-king sense tells me that there is another alter-ego at work. Mr. Concorde, Archer, H8U, maybe Skyboss? BTW... I haven't seen Citation Kid (he has mellowed out quite a bit) on the board in a while...

Let the games begin,
SK

 

[Jay]

I'm not an alter-ego. This is me, I'm not trying to be someone I'm not.

 

[skyking1976]

And defensive too....

 

[Jay]

Fine, I'm gone. If I'm going to have to deal with people (and I use the term loosely) like you, then I don't think aviation is right for me.

 

[enigma]

I just noticed that Jay is a gate agent. I pity the crews that get to deal with him now that he realizes pilots are scum. Ever delay will now be attributed to the crew. No, wait, it's already that way, Oh well.



enigma

 

[wickedpilot]

Reel me in...

All quotes from Jay

there are low-time flying jobs out there.

Name one. Not working a gate that's for sure.

No, I don't think I can just walk on to an airline job with a Comm. license and 80 hours of flight time,

You might need just a little more time to get your commercial bud. But who reads those FAR's anyway.

P.S. I don't believe in porn, or anything else that degrades women.

I think you are a woman.

Fine, I'm gone. If I'm going to have to deal with people (and I use the term loosely) like you, then I don't think aviation is right for me.

So you're gonna quit your job b/c of a few posts on the net???

 

[wickedpilot]

how do you make the quotes bold and display the posters name?

 

[Flyingdutchman]

Wrightavia, you don't wanna know...

g'day!

FD.

 

[bigD]

wickedpilot - at the bottom at every post, there's a "Quote" button. Click that button instead of the "Reply" button you normally do, and it'll format the quote properly.

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

I'm not an alter-ego. This is me, I'm not trying to be someone I'm not.

yew suck at AE

 

[wickedpilot]

wickedpilot - at the bottom at every post, there's a "Quote" button. Click that button instead of the "Reply" button you normally do, and it'll format the quote properly.

Thanks BigD

 

[fLYbUDDY]

You guys are unbelievable. I can understand and agree about your points with the PFTing and all, but I think the way some of you responded degrades your "profession" more then Jay has. I mean come on he is just considering a future job as a pilot and maybe doesn't understand some of the political and economical principals that make him think the way he does. So does that deserve the welcome he received? Anyways Jay continue to follow your dreams whatever they may be and don't worry about some of the bitter pilots on here that can only find stimulation from making fun of or degrading another person.
-Gary-

And Welcome to the board!

BTW--I'll bet a lot of these "NO PFTERS" didn't have a clue about it when they were 19 and probably thought the same way you do.

 

[secks]

Jay, you're being cursed, insulted, and degraded, because you have posted attitudes that insult and degrade OUR PROFESSION. You obviously don't understand that it is people like you, who are willing to fly for free (editorial on my part, not necessicarily intended to be a statement of your exact postition), that bring down working conditions and wages for the rest of us. Of course if you are just flaming, you already know this. If not, you need to think about the longterm consequences of flying for love, not money.

If you just love to fly, then get your CPA and buy yourself a 172. Don't drag the rest of us down with your romanticism.

enigma

I think the real issue here is the fact that you fear competing with people who will work cheaper than you. It's called "competition", and you'd better get used to it. Welcome to reality.

 

[Diesel]

secks- There is a difference between competition and whoring yourself out for hours or whatever excuse you want to use.

Talked to a friend of mine that is a chief Pilot at a small charter company. He says he has a stack of resumes from guys that will pay for the inititial ride just to get a job with him. (something I think the employer should pay if they want you.)

Jay some of the reasons why these posts went so negative so quickly is because there has been debates about this for years. People on this board allready "know" each other. It's kind of like a whacked out community. I've met a couple of pilots on the road that were on this board that recoginized my bag.

Of course when I was 19 i didn't understand the economics of it. Although when I got my first job I got a real quick lesson in it. It was a good thing my first boss was a great guy who took the time to teach me a bout the world of flying.

 

[ALASKAN AVIATOR]

I love this board because it is great community of pilots, with great stories and has a wealth of information. One board topic you have to read from start to finish is the YGBSM...(You've Got To Be Spoofing Me)! topic. and I try to stay away from the PFT threads

I always thought it meant "You gotta be $hittin me!

 

[Kingairrick]

Jay;

Don't listen to all these a$$holes. United's minimums are still only 350 hours of toal time. Apply as soon as you get there. They will evaluate your application on it's own merit.
That's what I did.....Oh, bad example...

 

[siucavflight]

I think jay is gone.
Dont worry Alaskan is here and he is almost as uneducated as Jay.

 

[Boeingman]

I think the real issue here is the fact that you fear competing with people who will work cheaper than you. It's called "competition", and you'd better get used to it. Welcome to reality.

Correction, it is called "whoring". It is also the main reason there is a race to the bottom for pay and work rules in this industry.

 

[Styles]

I think jay is gone.
Dont worry Alaskan is here and he is almost as uneducated as Jay.

I needed that before more first cup of coffee this fine Friday morning LOL