New FAA Rest rules are near

[Grizz]

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/FAA_2010_22626.pdf

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Even better when you get "breifed" on how you're gonna haul it back to base to make their 25 minute connection for the commute back to Denver.. Cause if they miss it, the next one doesn't leave for another 45 minutes..

 

[stb]

I thought the new rules would be ground breaking stuff like,
2 or 3 landings, 9 hours of flight (A bone for the ATA lobby)
4 landings, 8 hours of flight
5 landings, 7 hours of flight
6 landings, 6 hours of flight
7 landings, 5 hours of flight

Max duty day of 12 hours
Min rest of 12 hours

This "new" stuff is a polished up turd.

 

[NuGuy]

Why do I have to fly with the clown who does this? This new rule requires companies to note the problems they have and rectify, ie, require in place 9 hours prior to duty. And yes, this means be home from your vacation in time to get 9 hours at domicile.
Sorry commuters, commute in earlier or move. What other technically precise job allows you to show up tired?

The new NRPM REQUIRES you to report anyone who shows up too fatigued this to the company. It's now on par with suspecting alcohol usage.

Nu

 

[crj567]

Who needs facts?? This is FI....you can just spit out random crap that floats in your brain.....

Where is it posted the "idiots" want this? Show me and I'll back off and apologize....til then STFU

-Based on the content of the above post, you have little right to call anyone else an idiot. Ever.

 

[michael707767]

It seems to me this is going to cost the regionals a lot of money. But it's going to save the majors a lot of money. How many regionals have flights long enough to take advantage of ten hours of block time in a day? I suspect though they have a lot of 5 leg days.

Bottom line, I don't think it's going to do a darn thing to help make pilots less fatigued.

 

[T3700]

Why do I have to fly with the clown who does this? This new rule requires companies to note the problems they have and rectify, ie, require in place 9 hours prior to duty. And yes, this means be home from your vacation in time to get 9 hours at domicile.
Sorry commuters, commute in earlier or move. What other technically precise job allows you to show up tired?

You are required to show up for duty adequately rested. There is no allowance for showing up tired. I suppose some superior person who lives in domicile has never shown up for work after a bad nights sleep or no sleep with a crying baby at home? Do you really think forcing someone to commute in on the 5am flight for a 9pm show is going to result in a better rested pilot than one who commutes in on a 5pm flight for a 9pm show? Not everyone can just move to their domicile. I suppose they should just quit?

The FAA should have followed the recommendations of the ARC and left the commuting issue alone.

 

[Metro752]

Who needs facts?? This is FI....you can just spit out random crap that floats in your brain.....

Where is it posted the "idiots" want this? Show me and I'll back off and apologize....til then STFU

Go away, and finish your can of Alpo.

 

[Raoul Duke]

can someone post the regs here, or a link? Are transcon turns permitted?

 

[scoreboardII]

You are required to show up for duty adequately rested. There is no allowance for showing up tired.

They are tied together, both required rest and ability to perform will be the word of the day.

Allowances will be provided for the dude who's baby is crying all night, who's AC died, etc, but catering to the folks who fly a redeye and show up claiming "I'm rested" is a foul.

Companies will track this and put rules in place which will drive the fatigue call out of existance. How? You call in fatigued, they ask why, you say you commute, they say show up early enough, you continue to commute and remind yourself never call fatigued again. Solved? hardly.

How many careers allow you to commute to work and show up tired? Oh right, none. So yes, move to domicile.

 

[shiznitobam]

can someone post the regs here, or a link? Are transcon turns permitted?

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_polic...2010_22626.pdf

About 10 posts up or so....

 

[DYLIN]

How many careers allow you to commute to work and show up tired? Oh right, none. So yes, move to domicile.

You're very short-sighted.

What if it closed a month after you moved in?

Just move again?

Keep moving the next year too?

 

[COpilot]

can someone post the regs here, or a link? Are transcon turns permitted?

I'm not a lawyer, but my daughter is in school to be one.

Yes, my understanding is that; those middle of the morning time periods will allow for transcon turns.

 

[jonjuan]

I'm not a lawyer, but my daughter is in school to be one.

turns.

Pics or it's not true.

 

[Popeye0537]

They are tied together, both required rest and ability to perform will be the word of the day.

Allowances will be provided for the dude who's baby is crying all night, who's AC died, etc, but catering to the folks who fly a redeye and show up claiming "I'm rested" is a foul.

Companies will track this and put rules in place which will drive the fatigue call out of existance. How? You call in fatigued, they ask why, you say you commute, they say show up early enough, you continue to commute and remind yourself never call fatigued again. Solved? hardly.

How many careers allow you to commute to work and show up tired? Oh right, none. So yes, move to domicile.

You ever worked in LA? Everyone commutes and must leave earlier and earlier to get to work on time. Leave at 4am to get to work by 7....yeah I was tired all the time, and it wasn't a flying job.

 

[Splert]

http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/rulemaking/recently_published/media/FAA_2010_22626.pdf

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

How many careers allow you to commute to work and show up tired? Oh right, none. So yes, move to domicile.

I met a guy who's airline changed his domicile (he did NOT bid to change it-it was forced upon him each time!) 9 times in one year.

 

[DontFeedTheBear]

How many careers allow you to commute to work and show up tired? Oh right, none. So yes, move to domicile.

So if you worked for airline 'A' (not a real airline) and as a junior puke, you could only hold NY, so you move to NY and live in poverty for a while. Then two years later you can get out of NY, and you bid and hold Dallas, where the cost of living is less. A couple of years later, you can hold widebody FO, but only in SFO, so you move to have a better QOL on a better payscale. Now you can hold CA, but only in NY, so you move to NY and have a high cost of living but on a better salary. Now the airline furloughs, you lose your CA seat and go back to widebody FO, take a huge paycut, and have a tough time living in NY. So you move back to SFO. Now the airline announces an SFO base closure, so now you need to move to another base....Get it???

What is your wife and kids doing during all this change???

Oh, I know, according to you, pilots should be single nomads!!!

You are probably a regional dude who doesn't understand this scenario. You have two choices, FO or CA, because the few a/c you have at your company don't pay enough difference to move from a/c to a/c. It's folks like you that can't see the big picture, and make it hard for the profession to advance!!!

Yogi

 

[T3700]

How many careers allow you to commute to work and show up tired? Oh right, none. So yes, move to domicile.

Wait until you have a house you can't sell, a wife with a better job than you, and kids in school. Then you get displaced to a different domicile. I guess a true professional like yourself will just give the house back to the bank, leave the wife and kids, and move to the new domicile.