"New" Delta DC-9-50 in MSP

[CopilotDoug]

TWA sold off many of the DC-9's in the 1980's. They wound up at Ozark and ... the rest is history.

Are you saying after TWA sold the DC-9s to Ozark...they came back to TWA after absorbing Ozark?

What I find to be a true testament to quality design is that Northwest has already begun scrapping a few A320s with roughly 25k to 30k cycles on the airframes. Meanwhile, some of the DC-9s they're parking have over 100k cycles/hours on the airframes.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Remember that ASA painted their e-120's with in a year of them going away.
I do not think this is the case for the 9's but painting an airplane seldom give a hint in to its longevity.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

That's true, but painting them is certainly a better sign than not painting them.

 

[dalad]

Eat your heart out Delta.

Remember when you guys were low enough to fly this ariplane? ala DC9-15?

Hopefully most of you smart Delta guys will realize this is a GOOD thing that this airplane is in the mainline fleet, unlike the E-175 (which is much better looking) or the CRJ-900 (which is much better looking)

Are you starting to get it now? Mainline is the way to go. Shiny Jet Syndrome is dying. Hopefully one day ALL of us will understand that a job with the mainline is the only way to go. (even if you don't fly pretty new airplanes)

Absolutely, park the RJ's.

 

[CA1900]

Red tails looks better in the snow.

That just makes them easier to find in the morning. Kinda like the red flags on fire hydrants up north. :laugh:

 

[GogglesPisano]

Are you saying after TWA sold the DC-9s to Ozark...they came back to TWA after absorbing Ozark?.

Yes. This is correct.

 

[airplane wizard]

Lipstick on a pig

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Let's count the paint schemes this one has worn...

(looks nice though...something about all that snow on a DL painted airplane looks a bit odd)

 

[StopNTSing]

Oh.....imagine the paint supplier to Delta over the last ten years and four paint schemes? Ka-Ching!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Not a bad word about DC-9s.

Here's some "Wagon-Train-Like", "Ancient", "Wright Brothers Avionics"

The NWA -50s do have some nice features, though, that help to some extent.

cliff
GRB

 

[Terry Hunter]

Hi!

Not a bad word about DC-9s.

Here's some "Wagon-Train-Like", "Ancient", "Wright Brothers Avionics"

The NWA -50s do have some nice features, though, that help to some extent.

cliff
GRB

Um, like the TCI, and the Strakes???

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I don't know what it's called, but I like the digital computer that shows you you're EPR setting, vs. the RAT gauge and reading through the reams of takeoff data and special procedures trying to figure out your reduced EPR setting for takeoff.

cliff
GRB

 

[jetflier]

Hi!

I don't know what it's called, but I like the digital computer that shows you you're EPR setting, vs. the RAT gauge and reading through the reams of takeoff data and special procedures trying to figure out your reduced EPR setting for takeoff.

cliff
GRB

Cliff,

The TCI gives you your EPR. Takeoff Data Speed cards is like, "takeoff for dummies", can't be easier.
There is no "reams of takeoff data" that you refer to. Must be another 9 operator you refer to.

 

[nwaredtail]

Cliff,

The TCI gives you your EPR. Takeoff Data Speed cards is like, "takeoff for dummies", can't be easier.
There is no "reams of takeoff data" that you refer to. Must be another 9 operator you refer to.

The training department at NWA has, at least for the last 8-10, lead the industry in many areas. The DC-9 program is maybe the "hardest" (now realize, non of them are too hard), due to lack of automation, NDB raw approaches, etc, but once you are done, it's a blast.

ALL the takeoff data, performance data is done in the most simple terms possible to lower the workload so you can concentrate on the external factors going on (taxiing, ATC, Deicing) I jumpseated home on an AA MD-80 and I swear to god the two pilots didn't stop briefing and doing redundant checklist for the whole 15 taxi. They said that they didn't like it either.

Hopefully DAL will adopt many NWA procedures that have worked well in the past, like no memory items, NASAP, simplified checklists.


Hoping for the best

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Not sure if DAL will. See we are a very legal company. A few years ago adopted the Boeing philosophy, and will probably adopt the Airbus one too. See if we do it the manufacturer's way, then if something gets screwed up because of it, it is their fault and not ours! They get sued and not us. So I would venture to guess that we at DAL will always have some "Bold Faced" items that are backed up by a "Hard Card."

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Memory items are going away.


..thank goodness!

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Awesome! I did not know that!

See I do not know everything.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I thought memory items were a thing of the regionals. Shows how little I know.

 

[NuGuy]

Hi!

I don't know what it's called, but I like the digital computer that shows you you're EPR setting, vs. the RAT gauge and reading through the reams of takeoff data and special procedures trying to figure out your reduced EPR setting for takeoff.

Heyas,

I'll just pile on to what everyone else has said. Performace and NWA is as simple as they can possibly make it, even on the -9.

Put the runway into ACARS. Load info comes up, and then the performance info. It automatically uses the latest weather, and has everything you need to know. You can override the WX and put in your own winds or temp, or have it make adjustments for contaiminated runways.

Gives you flex (our version of reduced) thrust if it's appropriate and all the EPR settings. Speeds are on the card.

Need another runway? Or an intersection? Put in it the ACARS and it pops up. Landing data is the same way.

No memory items is the way to go. Why use a checklist for stuff you do every day, and then be expected to memorize stuff you use once a year?

Fly the airplane and don't hurry. What else do you need to know?

Nu

 

[regionaltard]

Too bad that the guys flying it are probably making 50 cents on the dollar that the guys who flew it away from the factory earned. Still better than letting them be replaced by jungle jets flown by Shaniqua though.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Memory items are going away.

Kind of hate that. Without burning up half the oral time with things you knew you needed to know, now they'll have time to ask questions like - What are the messages, displays and indications you see during the first flight of the day test of the GPWS?

 

[Amish RakeFight]

when did they start making dc-9's again?

I'll give you a hint: Delta merged recently with someone who flies DC-9's

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Kind of hate that. Without burning up half the oral time with things you knew you needed to know, now they'll have time to ask questions like - What are the messages, displays and indications you see during the first flight of the day test of the GPWS?

Man this question really bothers you FIN!!

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Kind of hate that. Without burning up half the oral time with things you knew you needed to know, now they'll have time to ask questions like - What are the messages, displays and indications you see during the first flight of the day test of the GPWS?

Wachu talkin bout Willis? Delta doesn't have orals anymore. Electronic systems validation now. The way that thing works, not having memory items would remove a bunch of questions from the question bank.

 

[airplane wizard]

I'll give you a hint: Delta merged recently with someone who flies DC-9's

So Delta and Southwest merged...who would have guessed=) Does NWA have any options on the new dc-9's? I bet those would look great in their colors.

 

[767/757]

Memory items are going away.


..thank goodness!

What is your source?

 

[NuGuy]

Kind of hate that. Without burning up half the oral time with things you knew you needed to know, now they'll have time to ask questions like - What are the messages, displays and indications you see during the first flight of the day test of the GPWS?

Heyas Fins,

No limitations, either.The oral for recurrent is all FOM/Performance.

Nu

 

[nwaredtail]

Kind of hate that. Without burning up half the oral time with things you knew you needed to know, now they'll have time to ask questions like - What are the messages, displays and indications you see during the first flight of the day test of the GPWS?

NWA doesn't have "orals",maybe just the random FOM stuff, unless you mess up the written test.

 

[Noserider76]

Memory items are going away.


..thank goodness!

Crap, that's totally bogus. That's the half of the oral where we knew what the questions were gonna be.

 

[123]

Not sure if DAL will. See we are a very legal company. A few years ago adopted the Boeing philosophy, and will probably adopt the Airbus one too. See if we do it the manufacturer's way, then if something gets screwed up because of it, it is their fault and not ours! They get sued and not us. So I would venture to guess that we at DAL will always have some "Bold Faced" items that are backed up by a "Hard Card."

I had heard that before but I can't honestly believe that the reason DAL only uses Boeing procedures is due to liability. I find that reasoning absurd. We are in the business of flying airplanes and with this business comes risk. We all know that there is ALWAYS some pilot error in the findings from an NTSB investigation which will then rely all of the blame back onto the company.

For all the good things with our newly combined company, I just can't believe our top management believes this is better than standarization among fleets.