New Delta CEO--Richard Anderson???

[Wildmanny]

Has anyone out there given any thought to this?

Former Northwest CEO Richard Anderson recently joined DAL's board and now is in a very good seat to see what is happening inside that operation. Having had a tremendous relationship with nearly everyone he's ever come into contact with at NWA (all union groups included), you guys would be getting a very talented guy to run Delta into the future. Additionally, who would be better to help when the time comes to merge the two carriers? He's incredibly bright, very personable, has good operational knowledge, great contacts on the Hill.

Just my two cents, but he'd be the guy I'd be putting my money if I was picking a new horse. FWIW

WM

 

[CA1900]

...Richard Anderson recently joined DAL's board...

You mean MacGyver?

 

[Kharma Police]

Mr. Anderson, aka "Neo" from the Matrix

 

[Flyby1206]

Mr. Anderson, aka "Neo" from the Matrix

Neo from The Matrix? You mean Keanu Reeves is going to be the new CEO? Wow!

 

[michael707767]

Mr. Anderson, aka "Neo" from the Matrix

I bet Neo could do a better job than Leo.

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas Wild,

RA was probably the most talented, decent management type I've run across. DAL guys would be lucky to have him...he's the type that will remember you and say "hi" as you pass in the terminal after meeting him for 30 seconds 3 years ago.

His departure was NWA's loss, but if I were him, I wouldn't have wanted anything to do with what happened. He bailed from NWA fairly suddenly, and from the #1 position to a #3 spot somewhere else. The money was better, to be sure, but usually you don't see CEO types doing that unless:

1. Something bad was going to happen, which he didn't want to be a part of.

2. He had a major falling out with the ownership over the direction the company.

In this case, IMHO, it was both.

Nu

 

[Spiritflight]

I am sure it didn't hurt that Dick got about a 100x raise to head into the health care industry. Wasn't it United Health? Anyway, you'd better hope he keeps his Gordon Gecko haircut as far as possible from the airline industry..

 

[Heavy Set]

I thought he left to run Burger King? I think Grinstein wanted the new CEO to be from "within" or an insider like Whitehurst or Bastian, but the new board may not let him do that. Anderson or Bethune would also be good choices, IMO.​

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[Wildmanny]

Heavy:

Nope. RA went to be the #3 at UnitedHealth Care. Dasburg went to be CEO at Burger King.

I think Anderson would be a fine choice as a now "internal" guy at Delta. I bet he's sitting tight at UnitedHealth to see what his prospects are at some point of being the CEO of that juggernaut. If it doesn't look like that will happen down the road, I would think he'd be looking for a high end #1 position somewhere. Guys like him don't move down unless it is temporary and then move back to the top spot.

WM

 

[Noserider76]

Additionally, who would be better to help when the time comes to merge the two carriers?

Let's hope the time never comes to merge the two carriers. I hope management and the board at DL have learned from the cluster over at Airways.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Seconded....

 

[Kharma Police]

Seconded....

Are you the same guy from ASA that was a RJDC and One List chest thumper?

 

[737 Pylt]

Are you the same guy from ASA that was a RJDC and One List chest thumper?

The same.....Not to mention DL pilot basher.....DL MEC hater!
But its all good now.....DL is in hiring mode and he is in play nice mode!

737

 

[Kharma Police]

The same.....Not to mention DL pilot basher.....DL MEC hater!
But its all good now.....DL is in hiring mode and he is in play nice mode!

737

Ahhhh.....If you can't beat them, join them. Thank you, I didn't know if he was the same guy.

 

[fly4ever]

Additional info -

RA went to United Health which provides the health insurance coverage for Northwest and Mesaba (prior to NWA buying XJ).

Among Carl Pohlad's financial holdings - United Health (not sure how much).

Just a guess -

RA joining DAL's board may be the next step towards consolidation. There has been talk for several years of a merger between NWA and DAL.

The "Good Ole' Boys Club" lives on

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ahhhh.....If you can't beat them, join them. Thank you, I didn't know if he was the same guy.

Yeah, and when you call him out on it, he goes silent......

Funny how some tunes change!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Silent? No, try bored. Still the same old tunes.

You guys even found a AirTran buddy to help you. Congratulations. With the contract they just pulled back, it seems all the AirTran folks would have their plate full trying to prevent scope disaster rev. 2.2.

Why can't AirTran pilots fly AirTran planes?

Sorry for the thread hijack - see - same old stuff, boring....

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Silent? No, try bored. Still the same old tunes.

You guys even found a AirTran buddy to help you. Congratulations. With the contract they just pulled back, it seems all the AirTran folks would have their plate full trying to prevent scope disaster rev. 2.2.

Why can't AirTran pilots fly AirTran planes?

Sorry for the thread hijack - see - same old stuff, boring....

Yeah,

They need to scope out the RJ crowd, so they don't try to sue for DOH.....but I digress.....

You see Fins, your drawn out BS on this forum wore thin and wasn't easily forgotten, and now you can't even say ...."Hey guys and gals, I was wrong maybe I will see the light over at Mainline, call it SJS or whatever, I am sorry for being a $hit-shoveling mouthpiece for the RJDC...."

and they called the Swift boat Skipper John Kerry the waffler.....good God!!!

 

[~~~^~~~]

so they don't try to sue for DOH

Nowhere was any demand made for Date of Hire. That is a rediculous lie. I challenge you to prove the allegation, one link, one scrap of paper, anything. It does not exist because it never happened.

The truth is that by equipment type, or paycheck, the result would have been a staple with 4,000 extra guys beneath you to serve as furlough fodder.

Many of those who support a more inclusive union are getting hired now that Delta has begun hiring again. They are taking the advice that the Delta pilots provided. (If you want to work here, get hired) Is that a problem? Comair pilots are getting hired too.

It would be really nice if one of you guys would bother learning the history of what you hate. (If you are going to hate something enough waste your time holding a grudge .... jeesh.) For instance, answer me this. What happened to the Pilot who put the PID (merger request) on the floor of the Board of Directors? Who was it and what office in ALPA does he hold now?

The 2000 BOD was a really dark period in our union's history that continues to divide and harm the pilots in our profession. How long you going to carry on? ASA and Comair are pretty much destroyed as potential career operations. These folks have to find jobs as their airplanes are put out for bid and transferred to non union carriers. It only makes sense that they would find jobs flying Delta passengers, just like they have been doing for over 25 years. Would you rather see them on the street, or at AirTran trying to put you out of business? What is enough for you?

 

[~~~^~~~]

They need to scope out the RJ crowd

Yes, they do - before there are 4,000 of them in the same union which has the same duty of representation to all of its members. After they have jobs and the union undertakes a duty to represent them equally then efforts to arbitrarily restrict their flying gets difficult for everyone involved.

The AirTran guys should nip this in the bud.

You see Fins, your drawn out BS on this forum wore thin and wasn't easily forgotten, and now you can't even say ...."Hey guys and gals, I was wrong maybe I will see the light over at Mainline, call it SJS or whatever, I am sorry for being a $hit-shoveling mouthpiece for the RJDC...."

First, My opinions are my opinions and I do not speak for the RJDC.

ALPA has come around on many issues and Comair now has scope which binds Delta. ALPA is half heartedly pushing a "brand scope" agenda which includes ALPA members by letters which attempt to bind holding companies.

Lets just say that folks who think like I do won, what then? Delta would have a much larger list, much stronger scope, more flexibility to deploy the right sized aircraft to best meet the market and you would be much more senior than you are with much better job security.

I don't apologize for my opinions and I certainly have not waffled.

I'm just curious why you give a rat's rear end about what some guy on a web board thinks about scope and ALPA's Constitution, circa 1999?

 

[~~~^~~~]

.....DL is in hiring mode and he is in play nice mode! 737

Not really. But I'm still not a supporter of a Delta / NWA merger. Are you? If so, why?

 

[PCL_128]

Nowhere was any demand made for Date of Hire. That is a rediculous lie. I challenge you to prove the allegation, one link, one scrap of paper, anything. It does not exist because it never happened.

Oh, you won't find anything on paper, but I don't doubt for a second that it happened. Everyone I've talked to that was actually at the BOD in 2000 has the same recollection. Either they've all coordinated their stories, or your information is incorrect. I'll bet on the latter.

Comair pilots are getting hired too.

Not what I've been hearing. Last I heard, the only CMR pilots hired were DAL legacies. Seems that the DAL pilots have done a pretty good job of keeping out the CMR pilots and rewarding the ASA pilots that accepted their furloughs without requiring them to give up their DAL seniority.

It would be really nice if one of you guys would bother learning the history of what you hate. (If you are going to hate something enough waste your time holding a grudge .... jeesh.) For instance, answer me this. What happened to the Pilot who put the PID (merger request) on the floor of the Board of Directors? Who was it and what office in ALPA does he hold now?

The 2000 BOD was a really dark period in our union's history that continues to divide and harm the pilots in our profession.

It only continues to divide and harm because your buddies over at the RJDC refuse to let it go. Maybe if that silly little lawsuit were to disappear then everyone could move on with their lives and careers and the 2000 BOD would be nothing but a distant memory. Just an idea...

 

[~~~^~~~]

Oh, you won't find anything on paper, but I don't doubt for a second that it happened. Everyone I've talked to that was actually at the BOD in 2000 has the same recollection.

Same recollection of what, exactly? You put your faith in gossip, inststead of the written records of something you were not a witness to?

And even if a rediculous demand was made (which it wasn't) so what? As is, the union decided to turn away from its own Constitution and Bylaws, rejected the applicants' petition and locked them out of negotiations while working out a deal with management to outsource half of Delta's flying. Obviously your allegation had no effect anyway.

What is difficult to understand is why people like you, who complain about the portfolio concept, whipsaw, outsourcing, aircraft replacement and competitive bidding attack those who offer a solution. Until the union brings its' members together it will remain ineffective. Our profession needs stability.

 

[~~~^~~~]

It only continues to divide and harm because your buddies over at the RJDC refuse to let it go. Maybe if that silly little lawsuit were to disappear then everyone could move on with their lives and careers and the 2000 BOD would be nothing but a distant memory. Just an idea...

I don't have any control over them and their lawsuit has not control over me. You must be about to wrap up training at AirTran, congratulations. Their lawsuit has not effected either of us.

Just curious, why isn't there an ALPA push at AirTran? Seems like the stars would be lining up over there.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Nowhere was any demand made for Date of Hire. That is a rediculous lie. I challenge you to prove the allegation, one link, one scrap of paper, anything. It does not exist because it never happened.

The truth is that by equipment type, or paycheck, the result would have been a staple with 4,000 extra guys beneath you to serve as furlough fodder.

Many of those who support a more inclusive union are getting hired now that Delta has begun hiring again. They are taking the advice that the Delta pilots provided. (If you want to work here, get hired) Is that a problem? Comair pilots are getting hired too.


It would be really nice if one of you guys would bother learning the history of what you hate. (If you are going to hate something enough waste your time holding a grudge .... jeesh.) For instance, answer me this. What happened to the Pilot who put the PID (merger request) on the floor of the Board of Directors? Who was it and what office in ALPA does he hold now?

The 2000 BOD was a really dark period in our union's history that continues to divide and harm the pilots in our profession. How long you going to carry on? ASA and Comair are pretty much destroyed as potential career operations. These folks have to find jobs as their airplanes are put out for bid and transferred to non union carriers. It only makes sense that they would find jobs flying Delta passengers, just like they have been doing for over 25 years. Would you rather see them on the street, or at AirTran trying to put you out of business? What is enough for you?

Just like the scabs, never forget what you did to the furloughees, so future up-and-coming 500 hour whiz kids don't even think twice about politicizing a furlough.................

 

[737 Pylt]

Warning: Thread hijack!

Nowhere was any demand made for Date of Hire. That is a rediculous lie. I challenge you to prove the allegation, one link, one scrap of paper, anything. It does not exist because it never happened.

I find it ironic that some prick from the rjdc calls someone else a liar! Is this the same person who blamed the evil DMEC for taking away their pass privileges????

The truth is that by equipment type, or paycheck, the result would have been a staple with 4,000 extra guys beneath you to serve as furlough fodder.

Truth is that your seniority snag blew up in your miserable face!

Many of those who support a more inclusive union are getting hired now that Delta has begun hiring again. They are taking the advice that the Delta pilots provided. (If you want to work here, get hired) Is that a problem? Comair pilots are getting hired too.

Good for them.....They will have to answer for their (lack of) support for us during our downturn, and the way their POS mec handled the furlough situation!

It would be really nice if one of you guys would bother learning the history of what you hate. (If you are going to hate something enough waste your time holding a grudge .... jeesh.) For instance, answer me this. What happened to the Pilot who put the PID (merger request) on the floor of the Board of Directors? Who was it and what office in ALPA does he hold now?

History??? How about the fact that your seniority request was only removed AFTER Delta started furloughing pilots!

The 2000 BOD was a really dark period in our union's history that continues to divide and harm the pilots in our profession. How long you going to carry on? ASA and Comair are pretty much destroyed as potential career operations. These folks have to find jobs as their airplanes are put out for bid and transferred to non union carriers. It only makes sense that they would find jobs flying Delta passengers, just like they have been doing for over 25 years. Would you rather see them on the street, or at AirTran trying to put you out of business? What is enough for you?

Well lets see......You badgered our furloughees for 5....No make that 6 years with your rjdc BS and rhetoric! I'd say you got about 4-5 more years of getting it back! Unless you make a public apology for being a complete ass for the past several years and apologize for blaming everything from your pass privileges to your lack of career progression on the DL pilot group (which you now want to be one of)!

737

 

[~~~^~~~]

Just like the scabs, never forget what you did to the furloughees, so future up-and-coming 500 hour whiz kids don't even think twice about politicizing a furlough.................

You could not be more wrong. First, a handful Delta furloughees came to my airline and did a great job. I would say we helped them out, but in reality, they helped us out and continue to assist by providing letters of reccommendation and walking our stuff in to Delta. Second, the furlough could have been avoided had it not been for "politicizing." Third, the "politicizing" you refer to left you with the impression that DCI pilots are drunk, uneducated, 500 hour wonders.

I've always wondered why the junior Delta pilots were not the supportive of the RJDC effort. After all, they stood the most to gain by negotiating inclusive scope.

Going forward, how are you going to get the 100 seater on the property? Any more rumors? The CRJ900 thing is going full steam ahead, it just is NOT happening at my current airline because we are holding the line on our contract.

 

[737 Pylt]

You could not be more wrong. First, a handful Delta furloughees came to my airline and did a great job. I would say we helped them out, but in reality, they helped us out and continue to assist by providing letters of reccommendation and walking our stuff in to Delta. Second, the furlough could have been avoided had it not been for "politicizing." Third, the "politicizing" you refer to left you with the impression that DCI pilots are drunk, uneducated, 500 hour wonders.

Nope, only the rjdc pukes!

I've always wondered why the junior Delta pilots were not the supportive of the RJDC effort. After all, they stood the most to gain by negotiating inclusive scope.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Your suit didn't want inclusive scope! Just the elimination of it! GO back and re read your own lawsuit!

Going forward, how are you going to get the 100 seater on the property? Any more rumors? The CRJ900 thing is going full steam ahead, it just is NOT happening at my current airline because we are holding the line on our contract.

There is currently $500 million put aside until Delta makes a decision on which version of the 100 seater they want! There is even talk of Boeing making a 787 "lite" airplane which would be fleet compatible!

737

 

[~~~^~~~]

Good for them.....They will have to answer for their (lack of) support for us during our downturn, and the way their POS mec handled the furlough situation!

What? My MEC both encouraged the hiring of Delta pilots and there was a Bid Restricted Second Officer SLOA that would have allowed concurrent seniority with Delta / ASA.

History??? How about the fact that your seniority request was only removed AFTER Delta started furloughing pilots!

You and I totally agree on this point. But it is not my lawsuit and I don't have any control over the thing. I share your concern that instead of reforming, ALPA is going to end up paying off the Plaintiffs.

Well lets see......You badgered our furloughees for 5....No make that 6 years with your rjdc BS and rhetoric!

Unless you make a public apology for being a complete ass for the past several years and apologize for blaming everything from your pass privileges to your lack of career progression on the DL pilot group (which you now want to be one of)!

My career, and your junior pilots career earnings, were set back by the errors made back in 1999/2000. However, they are back and I took your advice and got hired elsewhere.

You call it badgering, I call it supporting. What I supported would have helped your junior pilots. I'm not going to apologize when history indicates that the plan you advocate resulted in a Delta seniority list that has 5,000 fewer pilots on it and half of Delta flying is being performed by someone other than Delta pilots.

A union's job is to bring people together. Why should I apologize for an effort to force the union to include their own membership?

On the issue of pass benefits, did, or did not, your MEC file and subsequently withdraw a grievance which sought to reduce ASA and Comair employees benefits under the theory that Delta Pilots' pass benefits had been diluted and thus changed from the status quo requirement in your contract? Also, was there comments in the "ROAR from 44" advocating changes to diminish pass benefits at ASA and Comair?

Even I will agree that now that ASA has been sold, its' status has changed. However, apparently Delta management is keeping ASA status quo.

 

[~~~^~~~]

There is currently $500 million put aside until Delta makes a decision on which version of the 100 seater they want! There is even talk of Boeing making a 787 "lite" airplane which would be fleet compatible!

737

Boeing has a chance to really put the hurt on Airbus if they would get a 737/319,320,321 replacement on line. Airbus could not catch Boeing if Boeing decided to push that airplane. Airbus would be stuck with an expensive (and sub-obtimal for its wing design) A380 a hobbled together A350 and out of date aircraft for the huge sales that will follow a 737/A320 derivative replacement.

Boeings new production technique of allowing partners like Alenia and the three Japanese heavies participate in R&D funding allows them to get to market faster than the French/German combo.

However, according to friends who just got back from Paris there is not a compelling engine for a 100 seater out there yet. But they think Boeing should get the 100 seater out there instead of sitting back fat dumb and happy on 737NG sales.