Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

New Cool Aid...drink up!!

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web
Register   Log in
ReportCanoa said:
Who says ALPA and their constituents are opposed? The fact is, the company did a bait-and-switch on section 13. Can't do that and expect the association to roll over on it. If the 700's all go away, you can spank man-pilot behinds in the crew room and say- "you boys have been bad!".
Click to expand...

ALPA negotiators said they were opposed in the ASA crew lounge. In fact they said the rest wasn't that bad, but PBS is what stopped. Seems pretty short sighted to me.
 
ASARJMan said:
Ok, so I'm an ALPA idiot. Your point? You ain't changing my mind asaDrivel.

VOTED IN FAVOR!
Click to expand...

I'm not trying to change your mind. Obviously your mind is made up. ALPA can do no wrong as far as your concerned. Hopefully others who read aren't as blinded by ALPA.
 
ASADriver said:
ALPA negotiators said they were opposed in the ASA crew lounge. In fact they said the rest wasn't that bad, but PBS is what stopped. Seems pretty short sighted to me.
Click to expand...

Guess that doesn't apply to management springing that on the CNC huh asaDrivel? Or did you mean short sighted on the company's part to do that after the scheduling section was TA'd? You're a piece of work asaDrivel!

VOTED IN FAVOR!
 
ASARJMan said:
Guess that doesn't apply to management springing that on the CNC huh asaDrivel? Or did you mean short sighted on the company's part to do that after the scheduling section was TA'd? You're a piece of work asaDrivel!

VOTED IN FAVOR!
Click to expand...

So because we are pissed about PBS, we are going to drag this contract out indefinately and watch as our aircraft are transferred to Skywest. Brilliant strategy ALPAMan.
 
ASADriver said:
So because we are pissed about PBS, we are going to drag this contract out indefinately and watch as our aircraft are transferred to Skywest. Brilliant strategy ALPAMan.
Click to expand...

We TA'd the scheduling section and we're happy with it Drivel. try to get that through your management-induced brain willya! If the company wants PSB, oops I did it again, sorry, PBS, then after the entire contract is ratified by membership (do you get to vote asaDrivel?) PBS can be accomplished by a letter of agreement. If scheduling is opened, we're in for another 1-2-3 years!

VOTED IN FAVOR!
 
ASARJMan said:
We TA'd the scheduling section and we're happy with it Drivel. try to get that through your management-induced brain willya! If the company wants PSB, oops I did it again, sorry, PBS, then after the entire contract is ratified by membership (do you get to vote asaDrivel?) PBS can be accomplished by a letter of agreement. If scheduling is opened, we're in for another 1-2-3 years!

VOTED IN FAVOR!
Click to expand...

I believe the company offer allowed a year and a half to negotiate the PBS section - didn't it?
 
ASARJMan said:
PBS can be accomplished by a letter of agreement. VOTED IN FAVOR!
Click to expand...

Has ALPA suggested this or are they still waiting by the phone?
 
ASARJMan said:
Dunno, call your ALPA reps to find out asaDrivel. Oops, never mind, you don't trust nor believe ALPA. My bad.

VOTED IN FAVOR!
Click to expand...

The information I have from BOTH sides says that the PBS would be worked out over the next year and a half. Small price to pay to protect our jobs from being outsourced to Skywest - oops never mind, I am using common sense which isn't allowed with ALPA.
 
ASADriver said:
The information I have from BOTH sides says that the PBS would be worked out over the next year and a half. Small price to pay to protect our jobs from being outsourced to Skywest - oops never mind, I am using common sense which isn't allowed with ALPA.
Click to expand...

Why are you so torqued about PBS? That was but one in a LOT of things wrong with the company proposal. This has been talked about over and over.
 
atrdriver said:
Why are you so torqued about PBS? That was but one in a LOT of things wrong with the company proposal. This has been talked about over and over.
Click to expand...

Because he's management, and his job, when he isn't under BL's desk, is to attack ALPA and anything us ALPA believers write on here.

VOTED IN FAVOR!
 
atrdriver said:
Why are you so torqued about PBS? That was but one in a LOT of things wrong with the company proposal. This has been talked about over and over.
Click to expand...

Because 2 members of the CNC said that PBS was the main thing wrong with the company counter. I don't really want PBS, but if that is what it takes to get this done, then get it done.
 
I agree I have as well and they just say hang in there, I'm so sick of this I wish management would give us something to vote on and vote out ALPA. That's my opionion and many others that I've discussed this with including many in the training dept. Everybody just want's to get this done and are tired of our CNC not giving anyhting. But flame on you die hard union idiots, I'm here all night.
 
So lets see we have three pusses on the board, willing to believe everything that mgmt. spews. Now to the real point, it has been eight years since the last contract was signed, once this one is signed, you can count on another eight. So, do you want a contract that you can't improve for eight years, that is just slightly better than this one, or do you want a contract that you can live with, and be happy about, for the next eight years? Its time to decide, some have decided they want to be mgmt stool pigeons and sell out the rest of us, for me and others we are willing to fight to the bitter end. If that means the 700's going to Skywest, thats fine, they will come back after those guys get tired of JA's bullshoot and vote in Alpa. This is the end game, a time to seperate the men from the boys, ASAdriver your PU$$Y is showing!
 
It's three versus what like eight out of 1800 pilots, I thought you were "outtahere" so why do you care. You of all people should care since you need this place. Your men from boys is just typical high school education, ONLY
 
goahead said:
It's three versus what like eight out of 1800 pilots, I thought you were "outtahere" so why do you care. You of all people should care since you need this place. Your men from boys is just typical high school education, ONLY
Click to expand...
And I need this place how? And yes, it is time to stand up, or time to roll over, so whats it gonna be? Are you a man or a mouse chasing crumbs?
 
I'm a man that is smart enough to realize that I can take crumbs and make something out of it, opposed to wanting a entire bread factory like yourself.
 
I can live with PBS, but I'll vote no with section 13 the way it is. Floating days off on reserve, less than 12 days off, a useless commuter clause and numerous other things. Many senior pilots at ASA are way beyond many of the issues that affect junior pilots and will sell them out to wrap up the contract and have security, because they have no spine and no other prospects. I'll vote no on a TA even if it means no more ASA. I certainly won't vote yes to protect the senior people on this board who have only worked to divide the pilot group. I'm no ALPA puke either, I personally believe they could've been more aggressve earlier and had this wrapped up. It's time to push harder to get released, and it's time to have a reasonable TA brought to the pilots. And if SKW wants to disolve ASA and become a scab company rather than give us an evironment we can be productive in, then that's the way it'll be.
 
Last edited:

Share this page

Latest posts

Latest resources

Latest media

Carbon Cub FX-3 Shenandoah Valley
Carbon Cub at Kittyhawk
FX-3 in the backcountry
IFR Panel in a Carbon Cub FX-3
Cub-Provo-UT-c.jpg
Back
Top Bottom